1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Astros to pursue Edwin Encarnacion

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rocketpower2, Nov 9, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    29,955
    Likes Received:
    8,038
    I knew it. You knew it. What is your point. Reddick is nearly useless to us if they bring in a Lefty late so the OPS goes out the window in area where we need it most.
     
    #401 PhiSlammaJamma, Dec 9, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2016
  2. xcrunner51

    xcrunner51 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2002
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    2,491
    There are plenty of players that have significant batting splits and are productive players. The circumstance you're describing is uncommon enough as to not spent much time worrying about it. He's had these splits for his entire career and he's generally been an average to above average player in spite of his known flaws. Ergo they're not crippling to him or his team.
     
  3. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    29,955
    Likes Received:
    8,038
    Not that uncommon. High leverage situations happen almost nightly. As an Athleltic, Reddick demanded publicly that he bat against lefties late and that's ultimately one of the reasons he left. He put himself before Billy Beane's analytics and the team and it didn't go over well. These type of situations are costing us 10 games a year.
     
    #403 PhiSlammaJamma, Dec 9, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2016
  4. xcrunner51

    xcrunner51 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2002
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    2,491
    If you want to say the Astros are losing 10 games a year due to clutchness, that's a questionable premise already. But to attribute that all to one player based on handedness, not reasonable. There will be times when it happens but likely at a rate not significantly different than any other team.

    The Astros have one guy who has significant batting splits, big deal. Lots of guys on lots of teams have batting splits.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,714
    Likes Received:
    102,940
    Yeah, you're gonna have to show your work on this one.
     
    rocketsfan611 and raining threes like this.
  6. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,641
    Likes Received:
    13,500
    Yep.

    Making statements like Phi Slamma does without backing it up is irresponsible.

    If it's just his opinion then he should state that.

    Bottom line for me is the lineup should be much better next year. To say otherwise is just being disingenuous. Or either lack of knowledge/hater.
     
    rocketsfan611 likes this.
  7. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2000
    Messages:
    10,209
    Likes Received:
    4,162
    I was curious -- looks like there are some legs to this one.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/as-of-josh-reddick-voices-frustration-about-sitting-vs-lefties/

    Overall though -- winning fixes everything, and I'd guess that you wouldn't hear those types of things if we're winning.
     
    Buck Turgidson likes this.
  8. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,641
    Likes Received:
    13,500
  9. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    55,773
    Likes Received:
    65,991
  10. Nas

    Nas Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    15
    I really wonder what the asking price on encarnacion is right now
     
  11. ROCKETS1972

    ROCKETS1972 Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2001
    Messages:
    192
    Likes Received:
    12
    teams will wait for a while before they sign him he wants a 5-6 year deal worth about 15-20 million a season most teams only want to sign him for about two years at 10-15 million a season they believe he is declining as a player
     
  12. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    26,387
    Likes Received:
    16,723
    Teams would have no problem with somewhere between 15-20 million per year for two years. After two years, teams are going to want a significant discount on average salary.
     
  13. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    55,773
    Likes Received:
    65,991


     
    #413 zeeshan2, Dec 16, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2016
  14. leroy

    leroy Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    27,349
    Likes Received:
    11,213
    If the A's are considering it, I'd guess it would only be with a very limited no-trade clause. They'd almost certainly be considering flipping him.
     
  15. desihooper

    desihooper Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2000
    Messages:
    5,748
    Likes Received:
    3,207
    Man, if they get him on a short deal, that would sorta suck. They had luck doing that with Napoli and Desmond recently (not to mention Beltran and Lucroy). :mad:
     
  16. The Hunted

    The Hunted Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2007
    Messages:
    2,653
    Likes Received:
    1,652
    EE to the Rangers just makes too much sense. They have an extra draft pick after losing Desmond. Surprised it hasn't happened already.
     
  17. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,434
    Likes Received:
    22,571
    Astros should still sign him. We need our own superteam in Houston.
     
  18. Fulgore

    Fulgore Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    18,296
    Likes Received:
    18,452
    Is it too late?
     
  19. Fyreball

    Fyreball Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    15,183
    Likes Received:
    12,880
    I mean, at this point, I'm not sure I understand what EE and his camp are waiting for? By now, wouldn't they have all the offers sitting on the table in front of them?? Do we even know what he's in line to get?
     
  20. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,886
    Likes Received:
    132,790
    May be waiting for a team with a sack of money left over at the end of free agency. Obviously the offers aren't THAT good.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page