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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Amel, Dec 15, 2016.

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  1. dmoneybangbang

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    I don't think his back is beyond repair but the initial contract DMo signed was a very team friendly deal that if DMo played up to his potential would be one of the friendliest deals in the league. Nothing about DMos contract make sense without assuming there is a concern with his back long term.
     
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  2. JuanValdez

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    That's a little too tinfoil hat for me. I liked the last theory that Morey missed a rule in the CBA better.

    Anyway, I expect the real reason will eventually leak out. As a UFA, he's going to be having conversations with teams and they'll want to know what's up with his back and what's up with being renounced (if the league doesn't say itself). Probably a lot of insiders will get the scoop and some insider will spill.
     
  3. JJWhat?

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    If you don't see how I'm not going to make you see. By pushing opt out date to July 15 DMo was basically removed from representing his country in international summer tournaments for the next 4 years, since by the time DMo would be sure about his contract it would be way too late for him to report to national team every summer. Maybe "bullied" was wrong term that I used, I should have said lack of agent's competence and lack of NBA front office guys' human emotions, DMo was fooled into signing a contract he did. He was fooled by same people, including his moron agent, to refuse QO in hopes of better deal and when the worst deal possible was signed his agent fooled DMo once again into thinking it's a good deal (based on DMo retweeting his agent celebrating the 4 year guinea pig deal.)

    Based on what I wrote, DMo is a fool. But he's my fool :( FeelsBadMan
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I doubt it has anything to do with physicals and everything to do with the league stepping in on the new contract.

    This has "Basketball reasons" written all over it.

    Watch how carefully everyone words things.

    To me this reads like NJersey complained and said if the Rockets did not match, that he should be their property, the Rockets had done things by the letter of the CBA - but probably not the spirit of it, so the NBA said nope, nope, nope.....and stepped in.

    Being an UFA is what DMo wanted, not what Houston wanted......this is not a win win scenario at all.

    DD
     
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    here's a crazy idea - Motiejunas has a bad back, causing him to fail 2 physicals in a year including a rescinded trade, that combined with his mostly lackluster performance last year and the fact that he wasn't really a star caliber player to begin with - combined to significantly hurt his value and make him not worth the trouble.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Well could be, I guess we will find out soon enough - and if he plays and is successful, then what?

    DD
     
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    Those are pretty big if's.

    First he has to sign on with a team at a rate him and his agent agree with, then he has to presumably pass a physical, then he has to learn the system, then he has to actually get in everyday NBA game shape, then he has to crack the rotation, then he has to succeed.

    Its a long-shot.
     
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    Then good for him?
     
  9. DaDakota

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    And bad for us as we just let an asset walk for nothing.

    DD
     
  10. TEXNIFICENT

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    You are right, but teams lose players in FA all the time, just part of NBA business. This situation was a little different but the guy had some warts as a player, to a degree that no team was willing to overpay him in a summer where there were stupid contracts being handed out everywhere. The team is in a real good place and improving daily. As fans we should be excited for the team and you're a DMO fan be happy that he's got his freedom to go be a star somewhere.
     
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    The Rockets, with full access to his medical history, are in a pretty good position to determine his present asset value - they came to the same conclusion Detroit did last year.

    Until somebody else finds otherwise, they just let nothing walk for nothing.
     
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    We don't know what kind of physical the nets gave. Also the rockets matched subject to their own physical, so they could have always pulled back. After the physical, the new deal died. It's possible this may all be because of something else, but it's also possible they saw something since their last physical that concerned them enough to not want to match anymore in light of all the craziness. It's also possible the rockets overreached (although that would surprise me its unlikely for the rockets to misread the rules). Remember they still had the option of keeping dmo as an rfa - but didn't.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    These same doctors said the same thing about Luis Scola 4+ years ago and his knees, he is still playing.

    Either way, I don't believe for one second Morey let him walk for nothing, this came from the league office.

    DD
     
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    Good point, I just don't have a choice though!! I have to make posts with what's in the garm, especially if I ever have a shot of catching you (haha, not serious, your count is legendary). I'd love less DMo threads and while I wasn't a fan of the whole situation (on both sides) I still would have preferred to have one more try at it.

    I don't think he'll ever be superstar or deserve the amount of time he dominated on the forum boards (especially considering how well the team is doing currently or our actual players under contract), but I do think he had a real shot at being a solid piece for the Rockets. Oh well, time to go to the next topic
     
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    I could almost see this as a possibility except for one thing which makes it not a possibility. Feigen explicitly said that the rockets could have opted to keep dmo as an RFA. He was careful about not saying anything else. And he wouldn't have made that statement unless he believed it to be true. If the rockets truly were being penalized, they would not have that option. The league would have just said we void your cancellation of the offer sheet - either match him or send him back to the nets. Nets would have wanted that. Or the league would have just said he's a UFA (no precedent for that, either). But the rockets had at least the option to keep dmo as an RFA or cut him loose. Keeping him as an RFA would have cost them NOTHING - at the worst some other team gives him an offer and the rockets decline the offer. They chose to cut him. They could have kept him an RFA, and dmo would still be in the same boat without the Nets on line 2.

    In any event, let's see how your boy BJ does. Will he get dmo a $15m/year offer like you've been throwing around? Or does he blow it. He's UFA now...
     
  16. Deuce

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    Either the Rockets saw something in that physical and wanted to get out of it without saying he failed (doing Dmo a solid) or there is Basketball Reasons.

    @The Cat, great writeup on the DMo situation.

    @Codman, just a day ago pretty much said DMo was coming back. And now he isnt. That feels more like Basketball Reasons than failed physical.

    I would love to hear @Codman's thoughts now.
     
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    Not sure about this. The nets would then have a legitimate beef. If this were happening and Morey violated the rules, the better solution is for the league to not recognize the new contract or the tearing up of the offer sheet, and forced the rockets to match or decline. In which case the nets would have gotten dmo. The solution that you proposed would be a worse way to enforced that harmed dmo and the nets for something Morey did. If you later hear that the league gave the nets an exception, then your interpretation would be correct. I guess we'll find out.
     
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    Luis Scola failed a physical prior to one of his FA moves? When was this? I just remember him being amnestied by the rockets?
     
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    But we had intended to do so. We had matched. So we were willing to mess up flexibility. Something changed and while I agree it could be basketball reasons, it could also be they decided they didn't like the new physical but didn't want to do him further harm. Dmo may be pissed bc now he wants BACK in the contract or the nets contract.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    DMo did not fail a physical with the Rockets- and Luis was amnestied and their reasoning was his knees just weren't going to last according to their doctors.

    In other words, this is an excuse.

    Morey did not let Dmo go for physical reasons, he let him go because the league forced the situation that he didn't like.....

    DD
     
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