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Rockets in talk with league about DMO

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by No Chance, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    This is the thing that frustrates me the absolute most about DD. He wants the Rockets to keep all of their role players like the Spurs do (nevermind the fact that they DON'T do that) but forgets that we don't have stars like the Spurs.


    We'd have that "special chemistry" if we just kept all of the average to above average guys together. Give me a break.
     
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  2. steddinotayto

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    Trust me it could have devolved into worse but I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and use "blind" and "ignorant" instead.

    You WANT this you WANT that. I'm sure 95% of the rest of the league wants the same model of success the Spurs have had so it's not like you're some special snowflake that can only see how successful the Spurs organization has been.

    EVERYTHING starts at the top, that I can agree with you and that starts with our owner who isn't on the same level as the group that runs the Spurs.

    After that, we can argue about Morey vs their GM all we want but the fact of the matter is this: for almost 20 years they had a Tim Duncan. We didn't or don't have the luxury of having a once in a generation talent like Tim Duncan. In fact, he's probably the only franchise superstar in the past 40-50 years in the NBA that had the same balance of elite talent and humility/professionalism. Then you have Pop who's been there just as long as Duncan has and has the track record that players want.

    Apples and oranges and this is why I said you're blind. Harden is in at the beginning stages of his PRIME right now. Did Duncan take less money at that stage of his career? Did Manu, Tony or even Kawhi? No they did not. They took what the market dictated. The money aspect didn't give them the advantage to build--it's the fact that they had those players on the roster already is what gave them the advantage.

    And this is only exclusive to Morey's run here? lol now this is why I called you ignorant. How many times in Olajuwon's career did he want out of this city and how many times did we try to trade him? Did this franchise not trade away Moses Malone?

    I respect your passion and loyalty to this franchise but your comparison between THE model franchise of the NBA (and probably all of sports) to what we have is useless and unrealistic (hence, ighorant)
     
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  3. heypartner

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    Is this about which FO is better? Or which ones are so bad that free agents won't deal with them.

    "I liked them a lot," Horford said. "Just a great organization. I was very impressed by their owner (Leslie Alexander) and James (Harden) and just everyone all together. It was a very difficult decision for me to make."
     
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  4. justtxyank

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    Neither do I.

    When the Spurs saw a chance to grab a star they dumped Diaw and they dumped Corey Joseph. Both guys were good players for them, but hey, that's how the Spurs roll. It works the same way in the NFL. New England lets guys go at the drop of a hat. Shoot, Bellicheck told Tebow not to take a $1 million endorsement deal because it would be a distraction to the team and then cut him quickly after because he wasn't good enough, costing Tebow a $1million!
     
  5. onreego

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    I like how posters say "we're just speculating" but have already demonized the organization without actually knowing any facts.
     
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    Literally every team not run by idiots does this.

    How in the world can you have 100k posts on this forum and still not understand basketball basics like this?

    He is a role player coming off of an injury that was serious enough to fail a physical. Giving him a fat contract without seeing what the market is would be a fireable offense.
     
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  7. daywalker02

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    Sure you don't believe until it bites Morey in the ass.

    More and more people are coming out and talking about Morey's asset management. This is no news.

    Guess why it takes Morey a decade to gather the 3rd superstar?

    I am just saying. More players are not believing in Morey and his methods.

    He has done good and some bad but this could be major.
     
  8. heypartner

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    Trump won an election doing that.

    "I don't know, but people are saying ..."
     
  9. justtxyank

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    You mean overpay.

    They offered him a guaranteed $8 million one year deal that would let him be an unrestricted free agent the next year. He couldn't find anyone to beat that except someone from Basketballholic's insider newsletter.
     
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  10. steddinotayto

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    I'm so confused as to what point you're trying to reach here. You're saying it's because of Morey that he hasn't been able to find a 3rd superstar?

    Please tell me I'm incorrect.
     
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    And one of Morey's biggest mistakes was doing exactly what DD clamors for (overpaying flawed role players).

    I fear DD has fallen victim to member-berry addiction.
     
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    If there is a gag order, then one party already broke that.
     
  13. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    And then sent West packing after a single year by refusing to resign him. Soooo player friendly.

    Also, we signed Nene for peanuts, and his stats this year are almost identical to West's stats with the Spurs.

    You see what you want to see, DD, not what actually exists.
     
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  14. steddinotayto

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    Don't forget it's also Morey's fault that we currently don't have:

    V-Span, aka TMac of Greece
    Chandler Parsons, aka Mr. Glass
    Sergio Lull, aka Mr. NoBalls

    What other caucasian/european player am I forgetting?
     
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    This is what SA did with Kawhi Leonard - https://airalamo.com/2014/11/04/san-antonio-spurs-smart-extend-kawhi-leonard/2/

    "The San Antonio Spurs know they will have to spend money on re-signing Kawhi Leonard but it is better for the market to determine his value. The worst case scenario for the Spurs, which really is not a bad worst-case, is the market determines Leonard’s value to be the max."

    Am I missing something or is this the same thing that the Rockets did to Dmo?
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    After the Yao Ming era, I'm glad Morey takes health risks seriously. And, I'm sure DMo was playing very close to the vest on his health, not giving any indication to the Rockets on status because they knew the risk that Morey would invalidate his contract in the end. Probably, DMo's camp figured Morey might not match because he wouldn't want the health risk. If DMo had taken the qualifying offer though, they'd have given him a physical for that too and failed him, submarining any chance for a good contract on the open market. Given whatever his health status is, DMo's behavior makes a lot of sense -- he tried his best to get a contract that did not involve a physical for the Rockets. But, with RFA and Morey's asset optimization approach that turned out to be impossible.

    From here, I don't want to see the Rockets pursue a contract with DMo any further. They should renounce their right of first refusal and let him go on his way. Failing his physical means he's too much of a health risk for the team to contract for. You can argue that it should be alright if DMo gives them some flexibility in the contract to relieve them of some of that risk. But, he's already given them all that flexibility -- an option to void the contract every year. Any other concession, like on dollars or length, would be plain dirty. So, if the flexibility they already have still isn't enough, just cut him loose.

    As far as league rules go, I don't see RFA status as necessarily problematic, but I think Morey has strayed into an ethical gray area by mixing RFA with medical issues. By publicizing health concerns (which is conveniently unavoidable when trades or signings are voided by a physical), he can chill the market for a player and get a discount. He did this to Carl Landry too, publicly asking to have his knee examined before he entered his RFA offseason. That was dirty. I think the CBA needs a fix on RFA. Maybe the team needs to give a player a pass on the physical in order to claim the restriction. That way, a player has at least one out where the incumbent team can't use his medical information against him. In general in the US, medical information is private and we are very sensitive about our personal medical information being compromised. In the NBA, medical information is being used for negotiating leverage. It's wrong.
     
  17. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    Which is EXACTLY what you kept proposing the team do: Pay DMo a "fair market price." WTF?
     
  18. daywalker02

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    He is right, now is not the right time to talk about this but you got to ask what is Morey's endgame?

    I think this is a topic for another round, now we go back to Dmo.

    My point is the Rockets should help Dmo, or at least disclose the truth as soon as possible.
     
  19. Angkor Wat

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    pats traded their pro bowl linebacker because he wanted to get paid lol beli does not play
     
  20. AkeemTheDreem86

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    I was away from the GARM for a few years, is this the guy who said "Klay Thompson is better than James Harden" I've heard so much about?
     

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