CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

But you are ignoring how favorable Trump is to Russia. This sets the precedent that it's alright for a candidate to kowtow to another government if said government can help get the candidate elected. I mean I understand Trump being elected likely means America is going to lose a lot of power to the likes of China but at this point a line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere. Are we really going to shrink in our corner and allow our candidates to be endorsed by this government or that?

If Russia gets away with it, whose next? China? What is the big issue here in looking further into this?

Pretty much. So much for patriotism when it comes to Democrats. That's how far its gotten really.

 

In what way has Trump kowtowed to Russia?

 

Election should be a do over.

DD

 

Because it's irrelevant.

How about instead stop supporting terrible candidates with that kind of baggage? How about political parties "drain the swamp" so to speak so they don't have to worry about the fact that they are awful people will come out if someone gets their emails? How about multi-billion dollar entities put a bit more effort into internet security if they are so worried about what might come out if someone saw their emails?

There's just nothing really that can be done by the government to prevent private organizations from being hacked. What would you have the US do to retaliate if and when it happens? Did we nuke China over the Sony hacks? The DNC being hacked is no different.....well except that it seems Democrats would have the US nuke Russia for exposing how terrible they are.

Seriously, the "solution" is to stop being terrible people or using some more of the billions of dollars worth of donations you get every year to boost security....and don't have people like Hillary Clinton around who don't care about information security. It's funny that Democrats don't care when Hillary put national security at risk, but they are up in arms about the DNC hack.

 

If Russia manipulated the only recourse is a re vote.

DD

 

Four years too late for Obama to do anything about it. Why has he been so slow to do anything about this, if the entire intelligence community does agree that this is the work of then Russian government?

 

No it shouldn't. This was news before the election and people still didn't care.

 

You must be joking right?

His whole team is the best friends of Russia team from advisors to SOS. It's clear that Putin is helping shape his foreign policy.

Putin is the POTUS

 

Not in this case, no it isn't. You have a candidate that is as favorable as one could possibly be to Russia and then we find out that Russia set out to influence our election.

Clinton has nothing to do with this. I will ignore any comments about Clinton because she really has nothing to do with this. Russia wanted Trump, against all GOP candidates they wanted Trump. Against all democratic candidates they wanted Trump.

The difference is that Sony isn't even an American company in the first place, the other difference is that the DNC is a democratic party tasked with ruling over the people of this nation.

 

If you had credibility to lose, you'd have just lost it. Look I know you are upset about not getting your way, but being totally ridiculous isn't a way to make people wish you did get your way.

 

I mean it's clear Trump is very tied to Russia - they did bail him out after his 2004 bankruptcy when no one would touch him. They funded Trump SOHO and many other of his building.

Putin doesn't control Trump, he just takes advantage of the fool.

 

Bobby you are making false accusations here that are not even related to the topic of discussion. This is why everyone thinks you are a low life of a human being. Now slug away, Bobbythegreatidiot

 

No, it's still irrelevant.

Clinton has everything to do with this. If Clinton wasn't such a terrible candidate, she'd have won and this wouldn't even be a story. Hell if the people in the DNC were better people who didn't say awful things in their emails, or they spent the billions of dollars they are donated every year more wisely in order to bulk up their internet security, then this wouldn't be an issue either.

Like I said, no one is going to cry for you if you had an Ashley Madison account and that fact came out, no matter the reason it was exposed. Don't be awful, that's the lesson.

The DNC isn't "tasked" with anything. They aren't a government organization, and no spin will make that the case.

 

LOL gotta love the irony of a moron making the false accusation that Putin is the POTUS and then accusing others of making false allegations when they call you out for throwing a temper tantrum and being ridiculous. Either way, you be you, it's still kind of funny to laugh at.

 

Someone didn't read the article....

 

You're wrong on this, know how I know? Because both the house and senate will be investigating it and is being led by both parties. They don't seem to think any of this is trivial or irrelevant.

No, she actually has nothing to do with this. If she had won this still would be a huge story because of how close Trump came to fulfilling the wishes of a foreign government.

No, they aren't a government organization but the power they wield is that of the government. How can you deny that? A democratic senator has power or a democratic member of the house. A democratic president? Do they not have power? You are saying you are okay with handing over such power over to foreign governments?

Before you bring up money in politics again, please understand that many people are against this also. That is a separate issue from this. I despise politicians that take money for corporate interests, problem is both sides do it to a very LARGE extent...but again, this is another issue entirely.

 

They'll be investigating the hacks, sure, but not investigating Trump's ties to Russia or whatever spin people like NewYorker are throwing out there. They had an investigation about baseball steroids....they "investigate" tons of things.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here. Perhaps it's not, but this sounds like a temper tantrum by the left. The DNC hack is a story, but they are trying to make it a MUCH bigger story because they are upset the election didn't go their way. I mean, it's almost in tin foil hat territory.

They "wield the power of the government"? Just because members of that organization have political power, does not mean that the organization itself "wields" that power. There are NRA members that are senators and congressmen....does that mean if the NRA was hacked, you'd be just as upset?

Also with the melodramatic "handing over such power to foreign governments" rhetoric....you do know that's how you lose people, right? That's not at all what happened. A private organization had lax security and hackers took advantage of that to get their hands on emails of those inside the private organization. Once they got them, they realized that the emails showed them to be awful people and that the organization would be embarrassed by the things their members were saying and so they were released.....that's not handing power to anyone. That's someone getting caught being awful. The easiest solution is to stop being such awful people and up the security of their systems.

I just really don't think you'd be this upset if the RNC or some other private organization like the NRA was hacked and awful things that they said were revealed to the public no matter who did it or why they did it. I'm pretty sure you'd take my stance in that instance.....and I'd still have the same stance.

 

Wouldn't be so sure of that. If their investigation says that Trump has some ties to Russia then I imagine those ties will be investigated as well.

What about people on the right that are just as incensed about this? McCain had some pretty strong words about this...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/polit...n-senators-donald-trump-angus-king/index.html

I don't think those on the right that are saying the same things are whining about this in any way, after all...they won. They are concerned and should be if you ask me.

The NRA is not a political party. Depending on the content it is likely I wouldn't care.

For the DNC to have better security is a given, that's not even in the discussion right now though. The issue is Russia and their motives.

The difference is that the NRA isn't a political party that can shape how our government runs. I think that is clear. You think it's being melodramatic, tell that to our former acting director of the CIA...

“A foreign government messing around in our elections is, I think, an existential threat to our way of life. To me, and this is to me not an overstatement, this is the political equivalent of 9/11,”

 

Possible Deputy Secretary of State: Bolton claiming it's a False Flag operation driven
By the Obama administration. Presumably based on the same facts that the POTUS-elect team is using. You know, the ones sourced from their rectal region:

Bolton suggests Russian election hacks were ‘false flag’ by Obama administration - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-obama-administration/?utm_term=.79f6df63c352

 

There is no difference between the two. A political party is just a private organization that operates as a special interest group. The top 2 are incredibly powerful special interest groups, but that doesn't make them any different from others.

Anyway, speaking of this whole ordeal, remember the time Batman hijacked the democratic process?



Simply horrible. It's very much like the political Holocaust.