CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

The email is just one part of the whole thing, there are information about manipulating facebook and twitter by creating false accounts, generating tons of false information, etc. Should there be anything done to prevent things like that in the future or not, that is the question.

 

I guess. I mean, I don't consider those types of things to be really that big a deal or really able to considerably alter the results of an election.

 

if someone create hundreds of thousands of fake facebook and twitter account, then create a rumor that Hillary is going to allow all Mexican going to be citizens for example and then have all the fake accounts like and follow this, some uninformed voter could easily decide to vote for Trump based on that, in a very close election, it could easily change the outcome. Of course no one will be prove how much the Russians affected the election this time, but to ignore this type of behavior is just asking other countries to double down on this type of effort in the future, what about senate races, house races? Where does this type of thing stop?

 

Those are the two metrics to manipulating the election? LOL Immigration from Mexico was a huge campaign issue. He stands to lose billions with changed policy. Exposing the DNC emails is the lesser of two evils when you think about him controlling our news.

 

You act like that kind of nonsense isn't done by the Democrats and Republicans already.....troll factories don't really push the needle and certainly had no significant influence on this election. No matter how much those on the left push the narrative, "fake news" simply isn't why they lost. Running an awful candidate is why they lost, trying to push the Russia angle is no different than when Hillary was trying to push the narrative that Bengazi was about a Youtube video.

 

We do not know what all Russians did for this election, the only thing is they did something. The question is should we try to prevent something like that happening in the future to the best of our ability. That is why there should be an investigation to find out what occurred, as far as we caan find out. To me this is just as important as the Hillary email investigation which might or might not have caused classified information to be compromised. Do we know what other governments will be able to do with the technology of the future? After all this is a type of cyber warfare.

 

That's not really a question though now is it? Of course you want to prevent hacker attacks if possible. The problem is, it was a private institution that got hacked, so there's only so much you can do. You can't mandate the DNC take their internet security more seriously. If it was a government institution that got hacked, that would be different, but the DNC getting hacked is no different than when Sony got hacked. It's unfortunate, but there's not a lot you can do.

In no way is the DNC getting hacked as important as Hillary Clinton putting national security in jeopardy by mishandling classified information.....but it does give you an idea of how lackadaisical Hillary's people were when it came to digital security so it can't be THAT surprising that they got hacked. They didn't even care when it came to national security, why would they care about some DNC emails that weren't classified?

 

B-Bob, you're one of the more level headed left leaning people on this board. So I am going to ask you this, in a sincere manner.

Do you understand the Russians and Chinese continuously sniff every connection possible in this country? Do you understand they try to compromise every possible connection to gather info and intel? If you would run a traffic monitor on your connection, you would see continuous hits all day long, many of them from Russia and China. Do you also understand they have access to vulnerabilities and can access troves of data from all levels of this country? They compromise systems all day, everyday.
Do you also understand countries around this world try to sway our politicians and politics all the time?

I encourage you to research cyber warfare and what really goes on. Snowden is just the surface of the iceburg.

The point being is there is so much more to be angry at than Russia (allegedly again) exposing an unethical DNC. They can do worse. Much much worse.

And quite frankly, it doesn't matter. All Russia had to do was give it to a journalist, not wikileaks. There are many ways to get the information out w/out revealing the source. As another poster mentioned, is anyone angry that someone released Trumps tax records?

 

Well, there are differences there aren't there? Did Russia leak Trump's taxes? The difference is massive when you consider that Russia did this with some agenda. I think we should look into why they would do this and them doing this has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.

 

Do we know who leaked them? What if China did it? What if Mexico did it? Who cares?

 

Yes on 1, yes on 2, but I'm not so sure I believe "all levels" in your last rhetorical question there. I'm certainly no expert, and while you probably know more than me about cybersecurity, I would still need more authenticated expertise than an internet pal to believe that last strong suggestions.

To an extent. But this isn't the point, as I tried to outline earlier. I've never seen a hostile foreign government have a strong take in who they wanted to win our chief executive position and then act to support that preference. Usually, both our major party candidates are united in supporting our interests over foreign governments that are not that friendly to us and that our intelligence agencies warn us about. In fact, I could say almost always both major party candidates are united when it comes to aggressive countries who are threatening NATO partners.

This helps get right to my point. If Russia hacked and released Trump's tax returns b/c they somehow wanted HRC to win the presidency, that would bother me. Especially if her first campaign manager was Paul Manafort and if she had been talking a strangely pro-Putin line during her campaign and then floated a Secretary of State who was not a politician but a CEO known to be very well-liked in Russia.

Again, I know people hack, all the time. But people smell smoke now. If there's no fire, there will be no harm in investigating further.

 

the substance of Russia's meddling apparently amounts to leaking John Podesta's emails

 

If China or Mexico leaked it then it would be a problem, yes.

By allowing this we are basically saying that hey, future candidates...kowtow to a foreign government that can get you elected. Can you imagine how China feels right now? Looks like Trump isn't someone they will be a big fan of. So in 2020 if you hear about China influencing our election for some Democratic candidate what will be your response then? That's a rhetorical question because it's impossible to know what your response would be 4 years in the future considering all the variables and the context of any given situation...still...I imagine it would rub you the wrong way. Perhaps I'm wrong on that.

 

Trumps win is a reflection of a large chunk, but not the majority of the American people. A guy who insults and disrepects veterans, women, minorities, etc. can run this country.

 

Trump is not Hilter of course. However, I think under the right condition, a Hilter type candidate can be elected in this country, this election proves that just about anyone can be elected.

 

This is a funny post.

 

No, one is a financial interest which is capitalism and the other is a national interest which is espionage. It's a really clear distinction. Many billionaires and millionaires are involved in trying to affect policy for financial gain. It's amazing how people like yourself can all of a sudden dismiss Russian espionage and propaganda that installed an ignorant buffoon as President of the United States and oh look, the buffoon nominates a Russian stooge as the most important diplomat in the world. Wow, what a strange coincidence.

 

No, we're saying "Hey, don't be terrible people with poorly guarded secrets that you don't want people finding out"

 

It's very disturbing for people here to put Russia as being a more trusted ally than Democrats. Trump shouldn't have anything to fear about looking into Russian efforts to influence the election - nothing! Unless he was somehow complicit....