CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

SMH, okay, did you vote for Hillary? Are you a Democrat? After you say yes, think about how I knew that ahead of time when you were pushing a narrative that the Russians "hacked our democratic process"

I propose we work to prevent things like this in the future in any way possible, but there's no a whole lot that can be done. People need to take internet security more seriously. I mean, what do you propose? Want to go to war with Russia because some Russians aired some DNC dirty laundry? C'mon.

Also, it's not like the US doesn't do EXACTLY the same types of things. It's just how it goes.

Very true, there were actual victims in those hacks so they were a lot worse.

Not legally it's not. DNC secrets aren't state secrets. I suppose if you use the loosest definition of the word where it just means "the obtaining of information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information" then it would qualify.....but so would the fappening by that definition.

Again, hold them accountable how? Bomb them for being mean to the DNC and airing their dirty laundry? LOL and you wonder how I know you were a Hillary supporter....

 

It's all good. Our new Secretary of State and Putin buddy will straighten things out

 

If you are worried that someone will expose the fact that you are an awful person saying awful things.....maybe stop being awful and stop saying awful things? This whole ordeal sounds a lot like an unfaithful spouse upset about the Ashley Madison hacks. Don't be a douchebag and you don't have to worry about people exposing the fact that you are a douchebag......and if you just feel like you have to be a douchebag, you better spend some serious scratch on internet security.

Now that's not to say that if the US can do something to stop the hackers that they shouldn't. I absolutely think that they should bring down as many black hats as possible......but it's funny that the same people complaining so loudly about this now didn't really care in other instances that didn't affect the DNC. The same people who would glorify "hacktivists" and Wikileaks in general are some of the same people up in arms once the things being revealed went against their political ideology.

 

Your argument is completely subjective. What you are stating is if a country can justify attacking another country, then they should feel compelled to do it.
The middle east is tired of us meddling. Perhaps the rest of the world can come together and attack us for the amount of killing we do through our military actions.

 

Oh, so it is Tillerson. I heard that this morning but I also heard Giuliani before so I didn't take it seriously. Well, they're not going to do anything are they? Forget sanctions, we're wheelin' and dealin' now!

 

Just FYI I didn't vote for Hillary. If it helps convince you that a CIA report is a "narrative" then by all means you can pretend that I did. BTW why don't you mention Hillary some more I think it's really pertinent to the conversation.

 

You missed the part where the rest of the world decided that Assad was guilty of war crimes.

 

Hillary losing the election is literally the only reason we are discussing this. Keep trying to pretend like that isn't the case, but you aren't going to convince many people otherwise.

 

I take your non-response as a concession.

 

The real issue is that there are people who believe a CIA report is a narrative. If that isn't indicative of bias I'm not sure what is. This isn't about Hillary or political affiliation. It's about the fact that another country was caught hacking our political system and there are people who think that is acceptable. Wake up.

 

No one believes that a CIA report is a narrative, but that doesn't mean that people aren't using a CIA report to push a narrative. Take a minute and think about how that might happen.

Also, the fact that you keep misrepresenting what happened kind of shows a bias.....you keep saying things like "Russia hacked our country's democratic process" or "another country was caught hacking our political system" when you know both statements are flat out lies.....YOU are a good example of fake news. Hacking the DNC and airing some dirty laundry isn't "hacking our democratic process" or "hacking our political system", but for whatever reason (which is obvious) you keep spinning it that way. See how it's hard to take you seriously?

Does it suck for the DNC that they were hacked and a lot of their douchebaggery was shown to the public? Of course it does.....but you wouldn't care if it happened to the RNC, and my opinion would be the exact same. I think that's the point.

 

People aren't going to wake up but on their own time and realization. It's mostly a waste of time to converse with people that aren't capable of seeing their bias and delusion, willing to let go of their ideas or listen to the other POVs.

 

Ok fair enough. I can respect that. I'll leave you with one question: what was the motive of the hack in your opinion? What was Russia trying to achieve and why?

 

Of course it was almost certainly done to hurt Hillary.....but so what? I'm not sure how that's really relevant. Would it be better or worse if they had a different motive? What if it was done only to expose the hypocrisy and lies of the Democratic party and it was 100% altruistic? Would that make it better to you?

 

I disagree. The election is over. Now we need to discuss the future of our country.

You don't have concern that Putin actively tried to help trump win (whether it worked or not is irrelevant) and that it has been followed up with the closest thing in America to a Putin ally being tapped for Secretary of State?

Forget the election and discuss the future. The CIA doesn't just release politicized reports. They intentionally didn't say this before the election to avoid making a political impact.

Not sure what is more dangerous to our future right now but I'm leaning towards the idea that trump may be so powerful among his supporters that he can completely undermine and dismiss all of our institutions.

 

If it's true that Trump is a Putin puppet what then? What do you propose be done? Really nothing can be done, that's what the American people elected. If it's not true, how is it helpful to push that narrative?

Also, we're not talking about ideological ties to Russia when we're talking about ANYONE in the Trump crowd, we're talking about business ties, it's not quite the same. If putting a bunch of pragmatic people in the administration who aren't hostile to Russia helps create a better relationship between the US and Russia, is that really a bad thing? Some cheered when Obama moved to normalize relations with Cuba, would getting on better terms with Russia really be that bad? I think the narrative that the US is gong to be some kind of vassal state for Putin is pretty ridiculous.

Now that said, I do find it crazy that someone posing as a Republican would be so friendly to Russia given history, but it is what it is. I mean, Bernie Sanders went to the USSR for his honeymoon during the height of the cold war and is an admitted Socialist yet those on the left didn't seem to have that much of a problem with that to the point where if the nomination wasn't pre-determined by superdelegates, he could have won.

 

Pragmatism is one thing, covering for Putin committing war crimes is another. Trump called his own Vice President wrong for saying Putin was doing anything wrong in Syria and has dismissed intelligence services and the military for saying similar things. Our new secretary state is a business ally of Putin. You expect him to risk his future business opportunities to take a hard stand when Putin crosses lines going forward?

 

Ok but why did they want to hurt Hillary? I think the new secretary of state appointment reveals a clue. You going to just ignore it? Complacency. The complacency alone is the scariest thing in the US right now. The sanctions the US was imposing on Russia will be lifted to drill in the arctic. Just watch it will happen now. Who is exactly benefiting? You don't think Russia wanted this all along? How is appointing Exxon CEO going to help the common folk. This is the big shake up Trump was talking about?

 

When you say this it makes it sound like he doesn't have business ties across the globe, that he didn't have business ties negatively impacted by Putin's BS in Ukraine, that he wouldn't have business ties negatively impacted by future aggression by Putin. Doing so paints an inaccurate picture. The reason he is qualified to be Secretary of State is specifically due to his business ties and relationships across the globe, who better to negotiate on behalf of the US than someone who is already used to doing so?

I mean, would we be happier with a war hawk? Are we really so worried that there WON'T be tension between Putin and the US?

Again, it's not like the US is going to become a Putin vassal state.

Again, how is that relevant? States liking or disliking who the US picks to be president shouldn't really matter now should it? How about we assume that they didn't want to hurt Hillary, rather they just had altruistic motives to expose the DNC's dirty laundry....is it then okay? You seem to be harping on the wrong things here.