Rick's group has killed a TON of Saviors? I thought they basically only killed the Savior folks at the one outpost? Also, lest not forget what Negan and company did to Oceanside....as in killed all males over 10 years old. I'm sure Lucille got quite the workout. It seems like a heck of a lot more than what Negan went to as far as great lengths to put an elaborate butt whoopin on Rick's team. I would assume Negan and Lucille have had a lot of practice in dealing with people resisting the Saviors before Rick and gang came along. It's pretty much implied that this is how he has acquired so many followers. I would also assume that what Rick's group encountered was just another day of rule enforcement in Negan's world. Apparently, not knowing the rules because you are new in town isn't an excuse. It all depends on whether people resisted or not but I don't see any reason to believe this brutality by Negan against other groups hasn't happened many times before. Otherwise, we're supposed to assume it hasn't just because it's not in the story line? Negan didn't get to where he is by being nice to others. Hopefully, they will fill in his back story so we can see just how he came to be. Whatever elaborate trap Negan set for Rick and company surely isn't the first time. I don't get why you doubt it is? I don't read the comics so I don't know that angle.
i thought it was another stall episode but it was very well done one. still ticks me off with the scenes from the next episode not being on the next episode, switch and bite! Speaking of which, shouldn't all living things be tainted with rotting corpses thus making fish and meat not edible
So true. I don't mind build up and character development but the problem is that the actual development of characters/groups is a two minute conversation surrounded by a bunch of boring. This episode was the first where we fast forwarded it through obvious add nothing parts. Three episodes in a row of slow burn is taking its toll. Throw me a freaking bone every once in a while. At least having half the episode on one group and then another group on the other half would break up the monotony.
If you listened to the previews they CYA on that " in the coming weeks on TWD"..but yeah it's a cheap move!
Definitely. HBO does an excellent job with GOT to develop all story lines in each episode. Why can't WD do the same?
Not really since we still do not know what has caused the zombie apocalypse. You do bring up a good point as to why natural scavengers like wolves, buzzards, ect that would be eating the dead are not infected.
GOT has alot of things TWD does not - -GOT has a fully fledged start and end, with at least a blueprint already wrote out by one of the greatest sci fi/fantasy writers on earth whose had decades to craft climactic endings. -TWD's story is written by a relatively new (but accomplished) comic book writer who has no intention of giving the comics an end game. -GOT characters all have motivations & drives that make their character act in different ways. -TWD characters all have one central motivation causing similar character arcs (hence the repetitive nature of the standalone/bottle episodes). -GOT has a much better production backbone to help establish scope of the world building & international natural setpieces in some of the worlds most beautiful locations. -TWD has a pretty weak/limited shooting location that hurts them in the world building to provide scope. Meaning... every location, every shot looks & feels the same. -GOT has better directors -TWD best director is a special effects artist. -GOT has more time and less episodes per year -TWD has to fill up 16 episodes a year. Leading to filler episodes etc. etc. etc. I could go on, and on. TWD has its fans that aren't going anywhere so its okay to like the show. I just think there are substantially better shows that folks should be giving more time. TWD IMO is better if you record a few episodes at a time, and binge watch. Watching it week to week will always create a feeling of slow plot progression. It is what it is. The show doesn't have the plot & story that GOT has. They don't have motivations for the characters to create an arc for any of them that is different that anyone else. Southern Georgia is nice but over 70 hours in the same 10 mile radius will make the show feel cheap & repetitive. If I was an advisor to the showrunners I'd tell them first thing they need to do is throw the comic books away and never look at them again. Take some time away from thinking about the show, and map out a different movie/show featuring a sheriff who wakes up and suddenly has to survive a war with 4 to 6 people that he doesn't have a choice to partner up with. Create 3 or 4 acts with a beginning/middle/end. Then take that story, flesh out the other folks a little bit more, and stretch it over 2 to 3 seasons with Rick & co. as those characters. Your last 2 or 3 seasons should have so much to do in a short period of time that you feel like you want to add another season but you can't. Option 2 would have been to go back in time, and told them that during Negan's lineup cliff hanger to kill off Rick, and create a new show where you have a struggle for power within the survivors and break the group up where they have different motivations for each group. Then end the show with a new hero/leader after resolving the big conflict of the group in the last 2 or 3 seasons. But the showrunners have no intention of creating an ending for the show and so we will continue to see repetitive storylines and more of the bottle episodes where B or C characters struggle with their humanity in order to find hope in the world. All the while I just wonder when the now unmanned nuclear power plants around the world finally blow up due to no humans taking care of them and the world goes through a nuclear winter... which IMO would help the show... you know... to have some sort of purpose in this world other than just killing Negan & growing tomatoes.
Clearly the purpose of this episode was to show us where Rick and Co will get their next arsenal. Other than that, pretty much filler. Again.
You know I actually have really loved WD up until this season. In fact some of my favorite episodes have been the character driven ones with minimal zombie action. I loved Hershel's arc before his death, enjoyed the Governor's stand-alone false redemption episodes, was on edge with the tension and build up of last season. When the group split after the prison, I enjoyed the smaller focus on each group of characters as they converged on Terminus. The little girls, Bob's death, all heartbreaking. But these current episodes are just falling a bit flat for me. I recognize the importance of establishing other communities, but question the time spent on doing so and not blending multiple storylines into one episode. You get two big deaths in the season premiere but don't see that aftermath until several episodes later. It just feels a bit disjointed. Plus, Negan, whom I enjoy watching, seems more talk than action right now.
Carl kills 2 Saviors without hesitation but doesn't pull the trigger on Negan...the man he came to kill
If he had killed negan do the saviors shoot carl or would have they knelt. It seems the saviors, especially the ones surrounding negan at that scene already question the leadership considering he's banging everybody's wife. The writers dropped the ball for Carl there.
