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[Official] Astros Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 2, 2016.

  1. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

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    I think you have to compare the 9 guys who got the most PA last season to the 9 who project to get the most next season. Doing that looks like this:

    OF Springer = Springer
    2B Altuve = Altuve
    SS Correa = Correa
    1B Gonzalez < Gurriel
    DH Gattis = Gattis
    OF Rasmus < Reddick
    C Castro < McCann
    3B Valbuena < Bregman
    OF Gomez < Beltran
     
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  2. rocketpower2

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    uhhhh, ya think?

     
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  3. juicystream

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    I think expecting Bregman to exceed Valbuena's production is a stretch. Not to say Bregman isn't a better option moving forward, but Valbuena was basically having an all-star caliber season (After being so awful in April).
     
  4. Rockets FTW

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    Did I read that right? Nova "too expensive"?

    This doesn't sound right.
     
  5. conquistador#11

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    awesome. can't wait to see AJ reed in skin tight polyester.
     
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  6. J.R.

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  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    And we were led to believe they were done with big moves.
     
  8. Milos

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    The argument is that, for whatever reason, the past 2 full seasons prove that Gattis is FAR more valuable as a hitter when he also catches
    As a full-time DH, he is basically just replacement-level

    Yet, because of his injury history and DEF shortcomings, he is not well-suited to be a full-time Catcher, and he cannot effectively play the field at any other position

    Gattis is a really, really good #2 Catcher ... nothing more
    Having him backup/platoon w McCann is an ideal scenario for both players, and for the team

    2015 - All DH
    0.5 WAR total
    0.6 oWAR
    566 AB
    .246 BA
    .748 OPS
    27 HR
    88 RBI

    2016 - At C vs At DH
    3.0 WAR total
    2.8 oWAR
    190 v 251 AB
    .295 v .219 BA
    .992 v .709 OPS
    19 v 13 HR
    41 v 31 RBI

    Career - At C vs At DH
    681 v 794 AB
    .266 v .238 BA
    .855 v .728 OPS
    49 v 38 HR
    118 v 112 RBI

    Beltran should now be our full-time DH
    Yuli will play 150 games ... mostly at 1B unless Reed explodes, or at 3B if Bregman is moved

    Springer becomes everyday CF
    Reddick in RF except against tough Lefties, when Jake plays
    Aoki & Jake share LF early, until Fisher gets a shot around AS break
     
  9. tellitlikeitis

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    Ashur Tolliver did this last season:

     
  10. Nook

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    Ehh their WAR was similar last year...

    2.6 in 90 games for Valbuena

    1.8 in 50 games for Bregman
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    To quote Brad Lidge on national tv...

    "That's ****ing huge!"
     
  12. juicystream

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    That has a lot to do with defense. Valbuena hit .280/.374/.513 from May-July. I think Bregman will have a hard time exceeding that.
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

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    I think he'll do something like that but over 150 games.

    I loved Valbuena last year and him getting hurt really hamstrung the team.
     
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    Do you think that Valbuena would have kept up that pace over the course of the season?

    What were Bregman's splits after his comically bad start?
     
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  16. rocketpower2

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    Valbuena had also never produced like that before. It was an unsustainable tear when you look at his career numbers. Bregman has the ability to have a consistent .850 OPS and sooner rather than later.
     
  17. Nick

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    Ironically, his season was ended by a tear.... goes hand-in-hand with the unsustainability of it all.

    That being said, sometimes guys just have career years.... especially around this age. That could have been his, and it certainly could have propelled this team to a much better finish. At the time of him getting hurt, they were within striking distance of the division. They went on a tailspin soon after, and finally got things stabilized again once Bregman (and then Gurriel) started hitting.
     
  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Since I don't want to do too much computing...

    Bregman was 1-22 in July. In August, he slashed .274/.333./479/.812 which included starting the month 0-12. He slashed .323/.344/.629/.973 in September.

    EDIT: After the 1-34 start, He hit .311, slugged around .521 and his OPS was around .925.
     
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  19. juicystream

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    I think he would have maintained close to a .250/.350/.500 slash line, but no way of knowing. I think he had figured it out and it would have been a career year. I definitely think he would have maintained an .800 OPS.

    Depends on your exact start point, but over .900 OPS. I think that would be optimistic though.

    Was it really unsustainable?

    Probably more sustainable than you would think. His June was carried by an unrealistic BABIP, but otherwise, his numbers were pretty reasonable.

    And sustainability doesn't really matter, since we are talking about improvement over what happened last year. Those numbers are in the books.
     
  20. houstonstime

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    What you did there... I see it.
     

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