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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Maybe Cal is smart.

    Look at what the Cowboys did once they barred Jerrah from all decision making.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    I just think it's interesting that all of a sudden the offensive genius and QB guru had no input on who is on the roster.

    Supposedly Rick Smith, who made no decisions under Kubiak, is the guy.

    Makes no sense to me.
     
  3. ipaman

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    Links included a bit of both but if you read one and only one read this one, http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...uisition-began-in-film-room-ended-6886807.php , this had direct quotes from all involved. I'm telling you this was mostly Smith and the McNair's and they blew it.
     
  4. Nimo

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    Brock was a McNair decision....

    He stated after last season that QB was the main focus...

    http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...-McNair-knows-team-has-to-improve-6823940.php

    He said preferably via the draft, but once they saw there was a *chance* at a QB that just was on a super bowl team that played behind a HOF QB, they made a very WRONG decision thinking he would be at worst average to above average considering all the factors around said QB.

    They gambled....they failed miserably.

    BO'B and Smith were on board because hell..THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.

    All McNair wanted was the appearance of trying after Hoyer **** the bed in that KC game.

    The guy that cant be fired is the one to blame....but I would bet someone else will be fired for HIS choice.

    Should have stuck to the decision to do that via the draft...

    Prescott went in the 4th round.....o_O just WOOOOOOOOW!
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    He stated QB was the main focus.

    That doesn't mean Bill Obrien and Rick Smith had to sign Brock to $72mil.

    OBrien is the head coach with say, the QB guru and offensive genius
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    O'Brien: Landing Osweiler was 'best move' for Texans


    BOCA RATON, Fla. -- The Texans thought enough of Brock Osweiler to pay the former Broncospasser $37 million guaranteed to become Houston's new starter.

    While Osweiler shows promise, his big-money deal sparked plenty of speculation about whether he's shown enough after just seven starts to deserve that type of commitment from any NFL team. The Broncos, after all, chose not to match the contract, but Texans coach Bill O'Brien said Sunday that his team has no doubts about Brock.

    "We didn't just study the seven games," O'Brien told NFL Network's Steve Wyche on Sunday. "We studied all of the snaps he had. He is tough. He is an accurate passer. I like his leadership. Of all the people who have coached him, everybody spoke highly of him."

    Said O'Brien: "We are really happy with our decision to sign him."

    The coach then went on to confirm that last year's starter, Brian Hoyer, still has a place as "our backup," but emphasized: "The best move in that position was to go get Brock."

    If nothing else, Osweiler landing in Houston turns the AFC South into an interesting division after operating for years as a comprehensive snoozefest. The juicy lineup of young quarterbacks -- Osweiler, Andrew Luck, Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota -- is enough to suggest plenty of emerging rivalries for seasons to come.

    Of all those arms, Osweiler has started the fewest tilts and has the most to prove with all that guaranteed scratch. The Texans, though, don't believe they overreached for his services.

    You can catch more of Steve Wyche's interview with Bill O'Brien on Monday's edition of NFL HQ.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ien-landing-osweiler-was-best-move-for-texans
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    Bill O'Brien Comments on How Brock Osweiler Fits with Texans
    By Mike Norris, Chief Writer Mar 22, 2016

    The Houston Texans signed former Denver Broncosquarterback Brock Osweiler to a four-year, $72 million contract in the offseason, and head coach Bill O'Brien gave his thoughts on the 6'7", 240-pound signal-caller on Tuesday.

    “We felt like he was a guy that everything that he brought to the table from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skill set as a passer," O'Brien said at the NFL owners meetings, per Deepi Sidhu of the team's official website. "For a big guy—I’m sure you guys know his history, he played basketball—he’s a very, very good athlete. We think he’s a great fit for our offense.”

    All these comments were despite the fact that O'Brien officially met Osweiler for the first time at the 25-year-old's introductory press conference, per Sidhu. However, in today's technological world it's easy for coaches to get their hands on game film, and that is exactly what O'Brien and general manager Rick Smith did. After poring through film that included Osweiler's college career, the head coach said two performances stood out, according to Sidhu.

    I thought the New England game was one particular game that stood out to me because they were really in coaching lingo, getting after him. They were hitting him and he was delivering the football and getting right back up and calling the next play. One of the main requirements for a quarterback in this league is the ability to stand in there when everything is flying at you and take a hit and deliver the ball.


    In the Raider game, Khalil Mack must have hit him, I don’t know, eight to 10 times in that game? He stood in there, delivered the ball. Maybe statistically it wasn’t his best game but to someone who’s been coaching that position for a while and has really studied it, that means a lot to us.

    That's all fine and well, but what about how he would fit in the clubhouse? Reports surfaced that the main reason Osweiler did not return to Denver for next season was because he was "upset" that future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning replaced him in Week 17 when he returned from injury, per Yahoo Sports' Charles Robinson.

    O'Brien said he vetted Osweiler through those who knew and coached him previously, per Sidhu.

    I know there’s a lot of people that have coached him throughout the years that I’ve personally known so I’m sure he spoke to those guys. We spoke to those guys. That was one thing that stood out to me about him was everyone we spoke to, that was either a coach or teammate, couldn’t say enough good things a about this guy. That he was a good leader, a hard worker, a guy that really cared about his teammates, everything we’re looking for in a quarterback. So now, he’s just got to come in here and do it.

    Joel Klatt of Fox Sports was not impressed with the quarterback who threw for 1,967 yards, 10 touchdowns and six interceptions in seven games as a starter last year.

    Speaking on The Herd with Colin Cowherd last week, Klatt said he would be "skeptical at best" that Osweiler can turn the Texans into a contender, even saying that embattled San Francisco 49ersquarterback Colin Kaepernick would have been a better fit in Denver:


    Given the fact Osweiler has started just seven games in his four-year career and his 2.2 interception percentage was the same as Johnny Manziel, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com, the Texans most likely overpaid him.

    Considering O'Brien never met Osweiler before offering him the contract, there is a good chance his future in coaching and the quarterback's performance will be linked.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...mments-on-how-brock-osweiler-fits-with-texans
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Osweiler acquisition began in film room, ended with Texans sparing no expense

    The Texans' interest in Denver quarterback Brock Osweiler began in a darkened film room at NRG Stadium and culminated almost two months later in general manager Rick Smith's office. Owner Bob McNair and vice chairman Cal McNair were sitting in Smith's office while he finalized the deal that lured Osweiler from the defending Super Bowl champions with a starting job and a four-year, $72 million contract, including $37 million guaranteed. When Smith hung up the phone with agent Jimmy Sexton, he breathed a sigh of relief, smiled and turned to the McNairs. "Bob and Cal," he said, "we've got ourselves a quarterback."

    Smith exchanged congratulatory handshakes with the McNairs, then texted coach Bill O'Brien, who was attending the University of Wisconsin's pro day.

    O'Brien and Smith had agreed from the beginning that if there was a chance the Texans could get Osweiler, 25, they would vigorously pursue him.

    "Rick did a heck of a job," Bob McNair said. "He said, 'I'm going to get you a quarterback. Regardless as to where he might come from, we're going to get you a quarterback.'

    "Originally, we didn't know whether Brock would be available. He could have signed (with Denver) and not been available. We really didn't know, but we were still looking at him and hoping he would be available."

    Smith told McNair getting Osweiler to leave the Broncos would cost a lot of money to fill the biggest need on the team. McNair has never let money stand in the way of doing what he thinks will improve his team.

    "We had a fair idea as to what the cost would be," McNair said. "But, as with anything, if there's more than one person that wants it, it's probably going to cost you more."

    While the Texans began O'Brien's second season 2-5 and finished on a 7-2 run, Smith and members of his personnel department were scouting college quarterbacks and preparing their reports for the coaches, who would check them out after the season.

    Brian Gaine, who serves as the director of player personnel, oversees the pro department. Part of his responsibility is to compile scouting reports on players in the last year of their contracts and present them to Smith.

    Plenty of film study

    After the Texans' 30-0 loss to Kansas City in the playoffs, O'Brien took off a couple of days before returning to the film room. First, he evaluated each of the Texans. Then, he turned to prospective free agents and watched tape before filing his report with Smith.

    When O'Brien finished, Osweiler was at the top of his list of quarterbacks.

    "We study all these guys," O'Brien said. "We watch their (regular-season) tape (and) their preseason tape. When you threw the tape on from (last season), it was impressive. He played in some very tough games, some very meaningful games.

    "It's not easy to be a starting quarterback in this league. It's one of the most difficult things in sports to do. I think we got the right guy."


    At the time, though, the consensus among the Texans and every team in the NFL was that Osweiler would re-sign with the Broncos.

    The Texans had exhausted their interest in mid-level quarterbacks, nine who played in O'Brien's first two seasons, including seven as starters. Whether through the draft, free agency or even a possible trade, they were determined to get a player they believed could become their franchise quarterback.

    Before the scouting combine in late February, Smith brought in his scouts from around the country. They set their draft board. Then, Smith, O'Brien and the assistant coaches reviewed the analysis of each prospective free agent prepared by Gaine and his staff.

    Osweiler is the one

    They decided how they wanted to attack free agency - what players Smith was going to pursue when the legal tampering period began March 7, two days before the start of the new league year when free agents could sign with other teams.

    To make sure they were on the same page, Smith and O'Brien went to the film room and watched hours of tape on the 6-8, 240-pound Osweiler.

    "We came out of the film room agreeing that Brock Osweiler was the quarterback to lead us where we want to go," Smith said.


    The negotiation game

    Sexton has represented players for almost 35 years. He's a shrewd negotiator. The Broncos knew, like any agent, Sexton would try to get every possible dollar for Osweiler.

    When Sam Bradford re-signed with Philadelphia for an average of $18 million per year, the market was set.

    In his negotiations with Denver, Sexton claimed other teams were interested. The Broncos had to determine if that interest was real during their negotiations to keep Osweiler, who backed up Peyton Manning for four years and was 5-2 as a starter last season.

    The Broncos offered Osweiler a three-year contract worth $39 million. With bonuses, it could max out at $45 million.

    Smith was willing to pay a lot of money, but he insisted on a four-year contract. Both sides showed flexibility but not on the four-year issue. Smith refused to budge during the all-day sessions and late-night phone calls.

    On Tuesday - the day before Osweiler agreed with the Texans - Smith left NRG Stadium at 10 p.m. and got stuck in traffic exiting the concert at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. He and Sexton resumed their conversations.

    On Wednesday morning, Sexton spoke with the Broncos for the first time since they made their $39 million offer. They increased their offer to an average of $16.5 million a year, including $30 million guaranteed.

    As the Colorado media reported the negotiations and the Broncos increased their offer, there was optimism in Denver that Osweiler would stay.

    Competing with Denver

    Sexton had told Osweiler to go dark and not return calls, texts or e-mails from the Broncos, including his teammates, until the agent had reached an agreement with one of the teams. Sexton didn't want sentiment to play a role if he could avoid it.

    Sexton never gave the Broncos a chance to match the Texans' offer.

    Osweiler, a second-round pick in 2012 who made $660,000 last season, signed a contract that averages $18 million, ranking him 16th among the highest-paid quarterbacks in the NFL this year.

    "They wanted him in Denver, but Rick hung in there and got the deal consummated," Bob McNair said. "I couldn't be more excited."

    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...uisition-began-in-film-room-ended-6886807.php
     
  10. zeeshan2

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    It falls on all 3 of BOB, Smith, and Mcnair
     
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    The smokescreens are only gonna get worse if the season continues to go downhill. There's gonna be a lot more division created between Rick and BOB as both try to undermine each other through leaks and expose type articles from hacks like Canfora.
     
  12. liveguy

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    ^^This is HIGH COMEDY!

    I mean...ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    BO'B always good at sounding like he means what he says...but dude can lie with the best of them.

    He had to be lying because he could NOT have meant any of that....no effin way.

    Now yeah....BO'B was on board, but would you expect him not to be?

    Decision wasn't his....

    He just went with what he was given (because he had to) and continues to get his check every week, all while refusing....OUT RIGHT REFUSING to do the right thing which is to bench Assweiler.

    Either he refuses to bench Brock...or he just can't bench Brock.

    In both instances....BO'B looks inept...
     
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    You don't think Rick's influence has grown since the Kubiak era? He came in as a first time GM, so of course his role would be small. That was 10 years ago, and he survived Kubiak, even got promoted. He's more than a contract guy, and he wouldn't relinquish the power he gained all these years to a rookie head coach.
     
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    I get that it is someone's fault and someone is a bad judge of talent, but in the end this was a GAMBLE and it just didn't work out. This team was dying to get off the QB carousel, we were wasting away solid years of our good guy's prime, and so we thought we found a diamond in the rough rather than starting over in the draft. Yes, in hindsight we should have drafted, in hindsight Carr and Prescott were steals, in hindsight Brock was too raw. But ****, I was still so happy when we went for Brock, it was a move, it was aggressive, it was the FO at least trying to fix this team. Did it backfire, YES, horribly... But I still applaud the effort.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    I think he has no talent for player evaluation so leaves it to the coaches.

    More job security that way too.
     
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    Ok, let's make this easy.

    2014: 23.3
    2015: 21.2
    2016: 17.6

    That is offensive points per game. O'Brien is an offensive coach. It is all he does and it was his claim to fame. His best offensive year was when the team was the least "his". It was basically Kubiak's offensive personnel with a slight QB upgrade and a change in coaching style from "aw shucks" to "shut the hell up".

    The more time O'Brien has had to mold the team and "pick" guys he wants the offense has gotten worse. The defense hasn't really suffered much going from Phillips to Crennel.

    But offense is almost a touchdown per game worse than Bill's first year? Does not compute as good coaching and/or personnel decision making.
     
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    No but he wouldn't make up quotes c'mon man...
     
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    Typical Texans. ;)

    It was a Kubiak pick!
    It was Wade Phillips!
    Rick Smith took that terrible player!
    Rick Dennison lobbied for him!

    It was Billy O'Brien!
    It was Rick!
    Well actually Bob stepped in here!
    Romeo wanted him!

    Just fire everyone. Even if he's your Godson's father brother uncle's daughter.
     
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    @Mr. Clutch LOL if you think BOB would come out and say signing Brock was a bad move after THE BOSS goes all in. He's basically a rookie head coach, he doesn't have Parcells or Belichick clout to challenge the owner, his boss, in public like that.

    And that's exactly why he is sticking with Brock right now instead of making the switch to Savage. He is out to prove a point that they were wrong and he was right.
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Sure he made up a bunch of elaborate lies about scouting Brock and doing film study

    And now he's losing games in purpose

    The simplest explanation is that he's not a good talent evaluator at the qb position. Look at who he's acquired
     
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