Again, you're just citing big name coaches leaving one school for another. It's just not what I'm talking about. I've tried to be as explicit as I can and at this point I'm not interested in being frequentative. Again, see above. It's not recruiting publicly, it's publicly making the claim about being able to win championships at UH and then citing that as a reason to leave for UT. The claim at UH wasn't contingent on a series of dominoes - it was a standalone claim he made about this year's team. Listen to the interview - I'm tired of - literally - spelling this out. If "everyone" does "it", it should be darn easy to find the damning quotes....I hope you come back with em soon so I can get over this.... 1) I'm not a UH Alum. 2) I actually am a Rice (masters) Alum 3) My allegiance is to the city of Houston FWiW, I actually took the time to check out your links. The Kelly link doesn't cite anything about saying he can win championships @ UC and then using that to leave for ND. This quote from the Meyer link, "...Go back and check his quotes in past months about his full intention of staying at Utah as long as the stadium is full and the student-athletes are getting their opportunity to be a Top 25 team, about how much his family loves Salt Lake City, about blah, and blah and blah." Again, never mentions anything about championships at Utah and then using that in his presser for UF. Stadium-full + top 25 is well short of the championship line I have now, ad naseum, cited from Herman. It's patently clear that there are multiple viewpoints here. It's also very likely that I am justifiably in the minority. That's fine. I'm not sure I see anything to change my view yet, but I'm still open to discussion. I'm just not going to hold anyone's hand in understanding or analyzing my criticism any longer. I'm also, in general, not very comfortable with the 'everybody does it' tagline and it's not just specific to coaches or to loyalty or to lying. It might not be ya'll, it might just be me .
I don't care to spend time looking for quotes because this is common sense. The reason people go to top-tier programs is to win championships. It's obvious. Coaches want to win. When they take new jobs, it's genreally going to be to improve that opportunity. When they recruit at whatever budding program they are at, they also want to win championships and recruit kids based on that idea. So, no, it's not remotely surprising that he'd talk about the opportunity to win titles at UH and then talk about the better opportunity to win titles at Texas. It is the exact path and approach every coach takes. Maybe your problem is that he said it openly instead of just everyone knowing it's true? I'm not sure that's any better or worse.
But isn't lying the crux of the issue? Would you be okay with the whole thing if he left the championship talk out? I see where you're going with it but why is it so different, better or worse, than Urban saying he had no intention of leaving Utah or that he wouldn't coach elsewhere if he came back only to sign with OSU a year later? Seems somewhat trivial to me but to each their own.
You have no idea how often scholarship players are pushed out if they don't perform at high level schools. Wisconsin is famous for having athletes shuffled from academic to scholastic scholarship or their life is made a living hell until they transfer. Go look up what PJ Fleck did at Western Michigan when he took over... he reccended virtually every scholarship when he took over and when criticized he justified it by saying that the kids never reached out to him saying they still wanted to go to Western Michigan. He said that knowing full well that it was during a period where the recruits couldn't communicate with the coaching staff. High level sporting coaches (especially football) are coaching only to win and keep their jobs or get a more prestigious job.. and if that means screwing kids, so be it. #1 In the same interview McCombs discussed the influence that the boosters had in hiring Mack Brown. Further there have been numerous reports of boosters pressuring and influencing athletic department decisions at UT. It really isn't debatable. #2 Again, the attendance didn't really decline. I don't know where you got this information from but it is false.... the last 3 games of the season the average attendance was 39,333 and the average attendance for the season was 39,450 (excluding 71K at Reliant; which shows they can sell out larger venues as well). It is a lame argument. #3 Tom Herman didn't leave because of fans/students not showing up and you know it. He left because he has more resources at UT.
Good observation and I'm glad you brought up the specific issue. I view Urban, or Saban, or whoever else as leaving w/out using the championship flip-flop line as someone choosing one place over the other. Call it a grass is greener kind of thing. When you use the championship line, you're not just choosing one over the other, you're stating championships CAN'T be achieved at one. It's not the media, not the P5/G5 structure, not the money behind the CFP driving things....you yourself are placing a ceiling on the program you just helmed. A place that you, not even a few weeks earlier, advertised to the world that a championship absolutely could be achieved. This scenario, call it the HermClown 2.0 if you will, is $hitting on someone as you walk out the door. Nuanced? Yes. Technicality? Maybe. Very real? Yes. It's just never perceived that way by the masses and that's fine. My job is to read way too much in to crap and then formulate a stubborn opinion which I'll carry 6 ft under. Ok I'm kidding, but at this point I think it's just becoming a straw-man thing. I'll leave it be.
That was almost 20 years ago. More recently, like a month ago, you have him quoted as saying "I don't talk to anyone in the athletic department", when asked about Charlie Strong's job security.
Tom Herman is just following the road map set by Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Todd Graham, Paul Chryst, Jim McElwain and others. There is a blue print.... you stay at a mid tier school as a head coach for 2-3 years, do well and then take a job at a power conference school and try to get one of the top 10-15 jobs in the country. It isn't morally right, but it is a very competitive arena and it is a reality. Ideally the kids being recruited really get that the coach isn't their friend or mentor or really there for their players best interest.... they have parents for that. Herman's was more severe than most, but what he did is nothing compared to what Todd Graham did.
"You should always have more than 40,000 fans to go to watch a game with a city of 4 million people". A program like UT, with all their resources, their own sports network, top recruiting classes EVERY single year (roster made up of 4&5 star recruits), SHOULD ALWAYS beat Kansas, SHOULD not lose 5 or more games 6 out of the past 7 years, SHOULD win the Big12 more then 3 times out of the past TWENTY-ONE yrs (OU has won it 9 times and looking to make 10 this yr), and SHOULD have won more then one national championship in the past FORTY-SIX yrs. Sounds like UT has enough of their own "shoulds".
I like shoulds. UH should be in the Big 12. UH should be given proportionally equal funding as UT. UH should give blowjerbs to all alumni every day.
Todd Orlando, I'm sold! I could change my mind again. ___________________________________ Interim staff: Orlando(DC/IHC) Applewhite(OC) Naivar(DB/ST) Roosevelt Maggitt(DL) James Casey(TE) Ken Pope(RB) Darrell Wyatt(WR) C.J. Irvin(OL) Dan Carrel(LB) Myself & Major will interview for the job. Important we do not exclude Major. I have the interim tag. There is no animosity.
I saw ESPN3 on the Xbox and thought it would ask for a password.. Didn't ask for a login or anything. Downloaded it to my phone and d I agree for now, but the shift is coming a lot faster than people think. The demographic that advertisers are going after are tuning in through Xboxes, Playstations, Rokus, and their phones. I heard Houston was a pretty good college sports city back in the 80s when UH was playing in the SWC and the Cougars had a guy named Akeem. Not sure what happened in the 90s that led to its downfall. Probably something to do with Ann Richards from what I've heard.
I don't think he was wrong to pitch recruits on the idea that winning a championship at UH was possible. It was before they lost to Navy. You pitch them on the possibility with the understanding that they have to win every game to even sniff the playoff. That didn't happen two years in a row. Contrast that with a one-loss OU team getting in last year and the fact that there will, likely, be only one undefeated team in this year's playoff. When you coach at P5 school you get the benefit of the doubt from the committee and you can overcome one (or maybe even two!) losses. Herman was not wrong to pitch recruits on the possibility of UH making the playoff and he is not wrong to jump to another school that gives him a better chance at playing for that championship year-in, year-out.
But you do have to pay for an xbox live subscription to access their ESPN app. Of course streaming remains the future... but till the networks maximize their ability to turn profits via advertising and rights deals via this medium, the established formats will still persist. The collapse of the SWC, the facilities becoming old/decrepit, several bad decisions in terms of coaching hires, and a general lack of funding (mixed with apathy/neglect) towards the sports programs helped perpetuate its downfall. On the flip-side, Houston is a front-running town. If they get a dominant favorite (which tends to happen when a future HOFer decides to go to your school by default because he didn't like cold weather), they could support any college team.
Orlando is exactly as I imagined him. He is not a salesman or CEO. He is a football coach, and a damned good one at that. The fans are going to have to step up their swagger game to make up for Tom's absence.
How many do you think it is a year? I know it happens often because of injuries. Isn't rising up to higher profile jobs with better pay and more exposure part of the American Dream? They hired mack brown 20 years ago. What are the reports since Charlie took over of the Boosters influencing the athletic department? Did they want Charlie fired? Yes along with every UT fan on earth. Yes, the stadium sold out for one of the biggest games of the year against Cincy. However, in the 3 games prior the attendance was: 38,221, 35,846 & 36,552. The last game went up by 1k but it's still a significant drop from the 1st two games where they sold it out. You aren't going to have a marquee matchup every year but you should still be able to put a measly 40,000 people in the stadium. Those reported numbers didn't include people who straight up no-showed as I understand it. You could just see the stands while you were watching the game and see all the empty seats. I never said he did. What I'm saying is that if you are going to look at all of his demands and what he expected from the university then it's worth considering. parents for that. We agree with those things and we took action to try to fix it by firing the head coach. However, expectations on the field are not the same thing as expectations for fan support and not relevant to the issue I was discussing at all. For reference, Texas Tech put 56,000 people in the stands for Kansas, 57k for Louisiana Tech and 60 for SF Austin. I'm not going to keep going on about the UH attendance in this thread. No one is going to change their minds. I'll end by saying that if you don't think UH has an attendance problem especially given how well the team did this year then you don't know that a problem exists that needs to be fixed.[/QUOTE]
http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/article/Tom-Herman-I-never-once-lied-to-UH-players-10642848.php Tom is either an insanely honest man or a damned weasel.
