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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  1. DonkeyMagic

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    none.
     
  2. Nimo

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    Maybe running game and tight ends?
     
  3. ipaman

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    My best guess based on everything I've read, heard, and learned over the last 6 months, Smith wanted Brock, BOB wanted to Draft, Uncle Bob was the tiebreaker and he voted Brock/Smith.

    McNair can't fire himself and BOB was against Brock so that leaves Ass Kissing Smith. He gotta go.
     
  4. vinsensual

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    I actually thought this presser was more illuminating than usual, at least in regards to stuff like game plan and anything non-QB related. He still didn't single out Brock, and he probably never will. He also acknowledged that he needs to be better than 8-8 or even 9-7. If he pulled a Jeff Fisher and made a joke about being satisfied with 8-8, I'd be livid.
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    What is your source for this?

    Everything I've read is the coach makes personnel decisions and Rick just sort of nods his head.

    Sure McNair probably told them to get a qb too
     
  7. ipaman

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    A coulpe of items,

    1) Numerous league sources have maintained that the impetus to sign Osweiler to a hefty free-agent contract after a brief stint as a starter in Denver began at the ownership/management level - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tensions-spike-between-bill-obrien-and-brock-osweiler-in-houston/

    2) GM Rick Smith vetoes Bill O'Brien's decision to cut QB Mallet - http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...-Rick-Smith-vetoes-Bill-O-Brien-s-6592016.php

    3) BOB and Smith report to Uncle Bob and he is the tiebreaking vote - http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...mith-bill-obrien-havent-needed-him-to-mediate

    4) Power struggle, unclear who is in charge - http://www.espn.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/15315

    5) Several sources published news about "rift" - http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/10...to-choose-between-smith-obrien-as-rift-grows/

    6) BOB and Brock heated exchange - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tensions-spike-between-bill-obrien-and-brock-osweiler-in-houston/

    7) BOB didn't / couldn't meet with Brock before signing him

    8) BOB's comments toward Brock and calling "plays he likes" as opposed to BOB's general offense

    9) BOB's refusal to go with Savage when BOB has proven to have a quick trigger

    10) BOB's lack of energy and overall malaise the last few weeks

    11) Watch BOB explain himself how the process when down to sign Brock, "team decision", listen to Smith talk about checking all of the boxes, it's clear if you watch and "listen" this was Smith and Uncle Bob. Watch their faces LOL - http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1651356-osweiler-checks-all-the-boxes-for-the-texans

    All of that plus many many more context clues that clearly show that Brock was forced on BOB and BOB can't even bench him to go with Savage. I firmly believe BOB wanted Dak (BOB interviewed him) but the DUI (acquitted after draft) killed any change with Smith and Uncle Bob. That non-DUI swung the tie-breaking vote because we all know Uncle Bob likes "nice guys."

    Here's "proof" about the Dak interest,

    1) Texans were trying to contact Dak and reached someone else instead - http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nts-fan-houston-texans-dak-prescott/82974758/

    2) Texans Sr. Bowl Dak interest - http://footballdrafting.com/texans-and-jets-show-interest-in-dak-prescott-53298/

    3) Texans interview Dak in combine - no source but I know this to be true
     
  8. vinsensual

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    Props for showing your work, whether there's spin in those articles or not.
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

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    All of that is also consistent with Bob picking osweiler himself and realizing it was a stupid decision

    When he was hired it was reported that he had final say on the roster and he had great things to say about brock when they got him

    Rick also has never been a guy who takes the lead on personnel decisions

    Yes McNair said he wanted a good qb but it didn't have to be brock. O'Brien had his choices
     
  10. Nimo

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    Put the money aside, the Texans got the QB that almost everyone agreed was the best free agent available. The draft is a crap shoot. If Brock was management's decision and not O'Brien's (I doubt it), maybe it was because Brock lost the opportunity to pick with the Mallett/Hoyer he hand-picked last year. It's funny how after Brock starts struggling, "sources" reveal that he wasn't O'Brien's guy. Convenient for the coach huh? Didn't the coach and RM get into it too? Don't feel sorry for the guy. Brock is still the starter because o'coach still thinks he is a better option than Savage.

    @ipaman The Texans weren't going to draft dak after the DUI and he might have been destroyed behind this patchwork of an offensive line. And he was going to be the 3rd string, it would take major injuries (like the ones in Dallas) for him to even see the field.
     
  11. zeeshan2

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    I rather take a chance in the draft than sign Oz to the deal though. You are handcuffed to the guy for 2 years; did they not have a fail safe in case this guy is awful? At least if a qb doesn't work out in the draft, it's a wasted pick and he won't make much
     
  12. ipaman

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    @Mr. Clutch
    One more key piece to the puzzle, let's not forget BOB wasn't even in the room when Brock was signed. He was at Wisconsin Pro Day.

    Here is the quote,
    "Owner Bob McNair and vice chairman Cal McNair were sitting in Smith's office while he finalized the deal that lured Osweiler from the defending Super Bowl champions with a starting job and a four-year, $72 million contract, including $37 million guaranteed. When Smith hung up the phone with agent Jimmy Sexton, he breathed a sigh of relief, smiled and turned to the McNairs. "Bob and Cal," he said, "we've got ourselves a quarterback." Smith exchanged congratulatory handshakes with the McNairs, then texted coach Bill O'Brien, who was attending the University of Wisconsin's pro day."

    "Rick did a heck of a job," Bob McNair said. "He said, 'I'm going to get you a quarterback. Regardless as to where he might come from, we're going to get you a quarterback.'

    - http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...hp?t=080e47f24c438d9cbb&cmpid=twitter-premium


    I'm telling you, all signs point to Brock being forced on BOB and BOB isn't happy about it since Brock has regressed badly. Smith, Call, and Bob McNair all have egg on their faces.

    I agree but he was acquitted so Uncle Bob shouldn't judge so quickly. Dak is accurate under pressure and can evade and run like Wilson. Brock can't do either and his accuracy in general is really poor. At the very least Dak would make a bad offensive look better and when he did have time he would be accurate unlike Brock. Trust me I'm not a Brock hater, I was one of the few who asked to give him support and time but after 12 weeks of regular season action, I just can't get over his accuracy issues without any pressure.
     
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  13. Hey Now!

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    Yeah; the Texans may or may not have been interested in Dak - but any notion that Dak could be surgically inserted onto this team and he'd be enjoying the same level of success is absurd and fans need to realize that so we don't spend four years cursing the team for not drafting him.

    He was an afterthought in Dallas; THEY had no idea what they had. They also have the best OL in football and a true gamebreaker at RB which makes Dak's job sooooooooo much easier; he would not have enjoyed ether luxury here. Miller is a good back, and maybe behind Dallas' OL/in their system, he'd be putting up similar numbers as Elliot - but here, behind this line/in this system, there's no comparison. Prescott is obviously poised and talented and cream rises to the top, etc., so maybe he would have found his way here. But he is in an optimum situation in Dallas.
     
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  14. ipaman

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    He's accurate without pressure. It sounds so simple but yet Brock isn't. Sorry but Dak would be better just for having those fundamentals.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    BOB not being in the room isn't the least bit suspicious; not if he was working, which he clearly was. No coach is going to be engaged during negotiations; I guarantee you he wasn't there for Miller's signing, either. I think we can confidently say that negotiating a contract is clearly Smith's jurisdiction.

    I think they were all engaged/involved; BOB was coming off two winning seasons and playoff appearance, and while he had obviously bungled the QB situation, I can't believe he had lost enough clout to be sidelined on such a huge decision. Nor does he seem like the type that would accept it.

    And, honestly - who cares? If McNair is going to objectively review what happened, they both should be held responsible and shown the door. They've been together three years and have produced one bad QB after another.
     
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    I care because we've seen 12 weeks of Brock and have 5 weeks left for Savage. Yet BOB won't play him and it's because it makes Smith and McNair look like idiots.
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    BOB doesn't look too good, either.... High profile failure for a guy people think is a QB guru.

    I said this 3-4 weeks ago - best case scenario is Brock gets hurt and we get to see someone else run this offense. If he's successful, Brock is the problem; if it looks the same, BOB is the problem.
     
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    That's exactly what I want to find out. Is it Brock, the OLine, running back, BOB, the playcalling, let's facking find out so we can decide what we have to do. If we do nothing we're just wasting time.
     
  19. houstonstime

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    But what about the same fans that think Derek Carr could be inserted in? 3 years into his career, after going 10-22 his first 2 seasons.
     
  20. ima_drummer2k

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    I've noticed this as well. With each passing game (no pun intended).

    I'm really starting to buy into this theory that BOB is leaving Brock in, come hell or high water, just to make it painfully obvious that McNair/Smith picked the wrong guy.

    Something is just amiss with this whole team this year. Even when we were 6-3, you could just feel it.
     

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