[Stein] Rockets Latest DMo offer "multiyear starts at a fully guaranteed $7m in Yr 1"

There is nothing to work out.

Either Dmo accepts what the Rockets are offering, IE a deal that preserves their cap flexibility and insures they don't get stung with an albatross deal, or Dmo takes the QO.

 

If DMo feels undervalued, he's free to get his contract from some other team. In fact, most of our RFAs have to do that because we don't offer extensions, which are usually above market value. The only exceptions I believe were for Harden and Beverley. Everyone else in the Morey era had to go to market: Parsons, Scola, Lowry, and Landry all signed with other teams. And we managed to steal a couple of other teams' RFAs: Lin and Asik.

If DMo wants 3/30 and more guaranteed money, get it somewhere else and we'll either match or not. If he doesn't want to get traded or feels insulted because we signed a another PF to start, tough beans. Sorry, but that's the business.

 

Morey and D'Antoni have both been very clear that they want him here. He's asking more than his value, as assessed by the league, and my only point was that it would be a bad idea to add a malcontent (not "a lot of conjecture" to anyone paying attention) because it would adversely affect chemistry. I've been wanting D-Mo to sign here all along and I've been very plain about that. So have Morey and D'Antoni. It's only D-Mo that is holding this up and after seeing our guys gel so well and create such chemistry the last thing we need is an Asik repeat.

You said before there was a lot of conjecture in my post but there wasn't any conjecture in it.

The Rockets are still trying to sign him and he's still balking. At some point in time I expect the team to move on but they haven't yet. I have, and it took me a long time, until today in fact, but I have moved on and I'd be happy if the team did too. This chemistry is special and we should go to great lengths to protect it.

If D-Mo has a hurt on because of the Anderson signing he will never be made happy here. He will be a distraction. He will be an Asik.

It took months and months of bizarre, unfounded behavior by D-Mo/BJ for me to get to this point but I'm there now. If D-Mo's going to pout because he's not the starter, I don't want him on our team anymore.

 

I'm not one of those youngsters you speak of. I've been a Rockets fan for well over 30+ years DD.

Dmo is not on the same level with Hakeem.

And again they put an offer on the table and your love child turned it down. That is the bottom line.

What you want them to fall on their freaking knees and big this average role player. Man please, dude is not worth none of that bullcrap.

 

The QO expired - it no longer exists.

And, the Rockets pulled the offer off the table after the 23rd when DMo would not sign because he did not want to be traded.

The conjecture is you saying he would be a malcontent or another ASIK situation, you don't know that, no one does, he may come in find his role is to his liking and be happy.

That is what I think will happen...he will ADD to the chemistry - the point is neither of us actually knows what would happen.

DD

 

Nor are most of the people DD was posting to. He didn't have a solid point to make so he went old-timer as if that would lend his post extra credence. Everything he's suggesting the Rockets do they have done and done again and done again. D-Mo won't budge. It's like asking Obama to compromise with Republicans when he has constantly compromised with them though they have obstructed his every move. It's backwards.

And the idea that Morey suffers from a bad reputation with players is purely invented. By DD.

DaDakota doesn't know what he's talking about. It's like he just got wind of the whole D-Mo signing issue and popped in to play at being an expert.

He only brought up the Hakeem thing to prove he's a longtime fan and should have some authority because of it. The situations are in no way similar and it was a totally irrelevant thing to bring up. There's no analogy to be had there. He only did it to look like he knows more than he does.

 

That is not why he didn't sign. He wanted to be the starter and they told him no, Anderson is our starter.

 

So much fail in your posts today, DD. Maybe you need a break.

D-Mo can only play in the NBA by going through the Rockets. He can only play elsewhere with our blessing. We have his rights.

The fact that any one offer has been pulled is only that--one offer has been pulled. It doesn't mean it's the end of talks or negotiations. If it did, D-Mo would be in Europe by now.

 

WTF - here you go again - we have a different VIEWPOINT of what would happen if he signed. I personally BELIEVE he would find the team and style to his liking and would be fine.

I am not attacking anyone here BMJ, not Morey, not the Org, no one....just saying that sometimes face to face, is better than email to email.

As for Morey - his reputation is what it is...he doesn't have the BEST reputation among players - lots of them have left and been unhappy with the way they were treated....Asik, Parsons, Luis Scola, Lowry....tons of them have had issues with what went on....at the end of the day - Morey is doing his job, but to try to ignore what has gone on, is silly.

Well no **** Sherlock - I know that - so does everyone else here - my point was the 7m offer was pulled and the QO expired, both of which are right, so unless you want to say XYZ is the current offer than as far as we know, there is no official offer on the table.

Stop being so butt hurt because I said your conjecture about him being a malcontent/Asik on the roster is exactly that......you are flat out GUESSING what he might be like after he signs....you have no clue, and neither do I.....

Yes, he may be pissed now, but that stuff generallly stops once basketball begins.

And please stop with the condescending posts - it doesn't help honest discourse.

DD

 

The QO offer will exist again next offseason. If he is not happy with the Rockets offer, he is welcome to take it like he should have done this past offseason. That is it, those are his choices.

 

Which is lame and a cop out on his behalf.
Not only that but he's being very stubborn about Dmo's situation. I understand Dmo is his favorite Rockets player right now. And he doesn't want to believe his boy is being a malcontent. But that's exactly what's going on here. Dmo doesn't want to be a role player coming off the bench anymore. He thinks he's earned the right to be our starter.

 

This is the only part of your post worth responding to because it's a perfect example of the straw man arguments you throw into most of your posts. You post as though you know they have only communicated by email and should rather talk face to face. As far as you know there haven't been any emails and all communication might have been face to face.

You don't know either way so you make something up and then argue that they behave differently than they are in your imagination.

It's a waste of time. You're like a person that can't be quiet for a whole minute in a row. You argue whether you have an argument to make or not. Here you don't so you make one up. After 100K+ posts like this it's pretty freaking tired.

 

This is exactly true and everybody but DD knows it. That won't make him stop inventing arguments to save face.

 

DD why haven't heard found that team yet. And if he was going to sign **** why haven't heard signed the damn contract. You going off on Batman for what dude. He's only speaking the truth. Get over yourself and Dmo for crying out loud.

 

Also no one knows what offer is on the table right now . All we know is that both the qualifying offer and he previous 7m guaranteed first year offer have expired / been pulled .

I would have to assume it's either less guaranteed or with more team upside for the next year or years beyond that . After all , he can only play 2/3 of the season now and we shouldn't pay him for more than that .

I don't understand what dmo's play is . He's hoping that he is seen as a big enough malcontent to the rockets that another team can sign him without fear of the rockets matching ? I guess I understand it , but players coming off injury and Now potentially causing chemistry issues are not worth a lot . What assurance does another team have that he won't cause a fuss if things don't go his way .

I've been following the NBA for about a decade and seen a lot of poor moves on the GM side , I'm not sure I've seen a player shoot himself out of 7 mil guaranteed due to contract negotiations or lack thereof

 

Jeez you just can't help being an ass can you?

I am not inventing anything - and I am not attacking your pal Morey either - just saying what is out there in the know.

Perhaps if you know more as you claim you do, then you should not be on the boards arguing about it, because you can't tell people what you are told, but yet to us, you make leaps of faith and expect us to just blindly believe you know better.

Maybe you do, but those of us out here, do not.....and are reading what is in the news.

Which is to recap -

1. D'Antoni met with DMo told him he wants him to be the main PF.
2. We sign Anderson to be the starting PF at 20m per year.
3. DMo refuses to sign the QO - it expires.
4. Morey has an offer on the table for 7m this year with a TEAM option in year 2 (something unattractive to Dmo - I would guess).
5. Dmo waits until he can't be traded this season - and Morey pulls the offer off the table.
6. We have no idea what if anything is currently being offered.

My guess....and YES this is a guess, the sticking point is both the money but also being under team control NEXT year for what Dmo thinks is a reduced salary.

If that is correct, then we could get him for JUST this year at a decent rate, but then he is an UFA after this season - something the Rockets do not want, or DMo can cave in and sign a one year guaranteed with the 2nd year team option - something DMo doesn't want (IMO).....so we sit and wait until one of them budges.

My guess....and yes it is ANOTHER guess is that DMo will budge because he is not making any money - I guess he could sign in the CBA right now and play there and revisit this in March when the CBA season is over, or he could go to Europe but then we reboot this next year - something I suspect neither of them want....

So we sit.

DD

PS - Nice to not see ignored content on here, though it does seem weird when BMJ says....something quoting them but you can't read it...still better experience though.

 

People perceive Dmo's value differently on this board. I agree that he is asking more than his value. So does the whole league. This is not a "Yule C" where some team is just waiting to offer Dmo 10-12mil per year. It's not going to happen. The market has set the value-why can't people respect that?

And another thing, if Morey had paid Dmo 10-12 a year and then Dmo got hurt or didn't live up to it (you know, played the way he had been playing since his injury) then most of the Morey bashers would jump in with "see he overpaid and screwed up."

Isn't overpaying Dmo kicking the can?

 

You say you didn't invent anything when your last post was about how they should stop emailing and sit down face to face -- as if you had any knowledge at all about how they are communicating. That was an invention.

It was also silly to say there was "a lot of conjecture" in a post I made regardless of my connection to the team, since everything I wrote in that post is easily sourced by reading the thread. I didn't say anything in there that wasn't common knowledge.

I didn't read past the part of your post I quoted. I mean I have time, but I don't have time for that. It's the same rigmarole every time with you. I'm bored of it.

 

I would be very surprised if you could back that up. Link?

 

You have a known condescending posting style - nothing has changed there.

And - since you don't have "Time to read" then we are done here.

And still DMo hasn't signed, nor is a malcontent.



DD