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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Chopped, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Poloshirtbandit

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    They aired the Lamar game on CW39 (a bad quality feed from ESPN3), I think that was the only one. I've always wondered if they could work out a local TV deal to get aired on one of the OTA subchannels.
     
  2. Nick

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    ESPN3 isn't free. You do need a cable/satellite provider to access those games.

    And yes, streaming is the future for all cord-cutters out there... but right now, the vast majority of the paying public does not use that as their primary venue for sports watching.
     
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    Since we're on the topic of streaming... UH vs. Louisville is the most watched (via streaming) college football game ever :)
     
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    Why does Holgorson or Dykes leave a P5 school for UH?

    Also, STAY THE F*** AWAY FROM K.C. KEELER! HE'S OURS, GAWDDAMNIT
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Well, for one, Dykes has struggled mightily at Cal.

    Secondly, Holgerson is having a rough time ironing out a contract extension with WVU. Seems both sides have issues.

    Thirdly, Tilman Fertitta.
     
  7. Nook

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    Dykes wants out of Cal, it is a bad fit for him. He has struggled at Cal and his recruiting hasn't been as stellar as anticipated.

    Holgorson? I have wondered that myself, there is a thought that he views his current gig as limited when competing against the other Big XII programs.

    Money can also play a part.... TF has almost bottomless money available (billions) and it is expected that he will pay a lot of money to the next coach if it is someone that he wants.

    I personally don't see either as the best options....
     
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    wait... what????

    never in my 35 years have i seen more support for UH football than the past 2. from where cougar football was 4 years ago to today is practically night and day. and this is coming from a relatively impartial SWT grad/UT fan. the needle moved a whole helluva lot, not sure how you could argue otherwise.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Well last year Herman told the regents that he was going to talk to SC and would like to speak to USC. There were no issues.

    This year, he lied to the regents and was speaking to teams during the season.

    The solution would be........... don't negotiate with programs DURING the season.

    That is the real issue and it goes beyond Tom Herman, it goes to the landscape as a whole. I find it absurd that a coach under contract can reach out and negotiate with other programs, during the season.

    It has been done before (Saban), but it also has caused controversy and criticism for those programs and coaches.

    I mostly feel bad for players (kids) that are told by coaches that they are not leaving (Herman, Sumlin, etc) and make decisions based on believing what their coaches say.

    Ultimately coaches (not just Herman) in most cases do not give a damn about their players, or the lies they tell to manipulate 17-18 year old high schoolers.

    I am not saying that UH or any other program is above the fray, I do not doubt that UH would turn down a shot to hire someone that they want by negotiating during the season.

    What it comes down to is that most of them are amoral used car salesmen, and until the rules change, you can not like it, but should expect that every coach is going to act the same.
     
  10. Icehouse

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    I find the hypocrisy absurd too. I just see all the shots about "character", when it appears that some expect him to do something that it doesn't make any sense to do. It doesn't make sense to tell your kids, your school or the public that you are trying to get another job, especially if another coach still has that job.

    As far as lying to the kids, this business model is set up to pimp kids for money. It's not right but it is what it is. "All in the game yo".

    No matter the school, it seems like those that support the old school say "coach should have been straight up". I just don't recall that happening and it makes sense for it not to happen. Thanks for the example of him telling the administrators last season.
     
  11. Nook

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    Really, the "stand up" thing to do would have been to wait until after the season ended to start talking to teams.

    From what I am hearing, he also never really spoke to the players after accepting the job, and just got the hell out of town.... I don't think that is very stand up, but Herman isn't the first or last to handle it that way.

    I suspect if pressed, Herman would state that when UH didn't get into the Big XII, that changed everything.... although I suspect the truth is that he was going to leave for any high profile job unless UH ran the table this year and got into the playoff (which they really should have... for all the brilliance of Herman; there is no excuse for losing to Navy, SMU and Memphis)

    Thus far all the complaints have been from players and fans. The university has taken the high road, although I expect that is because they realize they do not benefit by ripping Herman.

    Tom is a very bright guy and will do very well at UT, I fully expect him to have UT in position to compete for multiple national titles.
     
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    Holgerson is just using UH as a stalking horse to get more money out of WVU, IMO.

    Really think they should just give the reins over to Applewhite.
     
  13. Nook

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    Perhaps that is what Holgerson is doing...... but we don't even know that Holgerson is the top choice of UH.

    Why hand the reigns over to Applewhite when you can target someone like Lincoln Riley, who is younger and more successful?

    There are a lot of good candidates available.... although I think they would have probably chosen Fleck had he not gone to Purdue..... the irony being that, like Herman, Fleck negotiated with Purdue in season and after making a number of promises.
     
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    Houston: When it became obvious Tom Herman would not return to Houston in 2017, he probably should have taken his cues from Justin Fuente on his way out the door from Memphis to Virginia Tech in 2016. Fuente was generally praised for handling it beautifully, showing appreciation for the job he had and the task at hand while never denying that he would consider other opportunities that came along. He didn’t make false promises or raise hopes, and it was a dignified transaction all the way around.

    With Herman, though, the leaks from his camp about negotiating with LSU to try to spur Texas into action while publicly (and angrily) denying that he was talking with other schools was a bit much. And given all the noise, it’s no surprise that Houston wasn’t totally on its game in a 48-44 loss at Memphis. Houston fans shouldn’t be mad at Herman for leaving — he did a tremendous amount of good for the program in two years, and Texas is too good to pass up — but the way it played out was unsavory at best.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ee-louisville-george-south-carolina/94522136/
     
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    Lincoln Riley is younger than Applewhite, but more successful??

    I like Applewhite for the continuity aspect, he can simply continue on what Herman started. Plus, he's tied in to the Texas recruiting scene as much as anyone around. He's also been mentored by some of the best coaches around, starting with Saban.

    Fleck is a great coach, but he's a Midwest guy and I don't see him leaving the Midwest. Not sure why he thought Purdue would be a good job for his next step, it's a graveyard for college coaches.
     
  16. Nook

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    Yeah, I think that Lincoln Riley has been more successful than Applewhite and is more promising.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    I think the feeling on Applewhite is that he's just not the total package.

    On Holgorsen, the feeling is that he loved his time in Houston, isn't happy with WV AND has a contract impasse with them which means he might want to leave.

    UH is a job where a coach from a middling P5 school could come, have a bunch of success and then springboard into a better P5 job as well so that is in play.
     
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    I like Tom Herman a lot and I expect him to succeed, but plenty of coaches with better resumes have failed. It's only two years.
     

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