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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Chopped, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. Newlin

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    Really? I thought I remember you being unhappy with Sumlin with the way he made his exit.
     
  2. KePoW

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    Herman actually does have a Master's degree from UT-Austin. And he also coached here early in his career.

    So he does have pretty strong personal ties.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Oh damn, that's right. I forgot about that.

    Of course grad stuff is a different animal, but it no doubt didn't hurt.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Nope. Not me.

    Tons of idiots thought Sumlin sabotaged the 2011 CUSA championship game, which I think is ridiculous.
     
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    Yeah that's true, it's not the same as undergrad. But still probably part of the equation.
     
  6. Nick

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    I know everybody is clamoring that they deserve a P5 position... but don't they have to do a tad better in the conference they currently are in to make that claim seem valid?
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    It doesn't really seem to matter since the goalposts will keep moving.
     
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  8. Newlin

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    My mistake then.

    The thing about Herman, is that he's just one hell of a great salesman. He really gets people to buy in to what he's selling. But, the thing is I don't buy much of what any of these coaches say. It's important to remember that a big part of a coaches job is being a salesman. I tried to warn people that Herman was bound to leave if he continued to have success. But, many fans didn't want to hear it.

    People have to learn that these coaches are just salesmen telling everyone what the want to hear. Kind of like a politician.
     
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    Does anyone have an example of a college coach telling the truth during the season (to players, fans, administrators and the media) about looking for other coaching opportunities, prior to securing said opportunity? That doesn't seem to be a very realistic expectation, especially when other coaches are still sitting in those seats.
     
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  10. Nick

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    OK... I suppose that's one way to look at it.

    Or there's the fact that since UH plays in such a horrid college football market (regardless of the size of the city they play in).... they're going to have to have a truly dominant/excellent season without brain-farts to schools like UConn or Navy to be taken into consideration for a bigger conference.

    I don't have a dog in this fight... but to me, UH looks to be in the appropriate mid-tier conference for now. They've made strides to warrant promotion (new stadium, renewed interest on-campus, some semi-signature wins against power schools)... but they've still got a ways to go.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    I'm starting to really warm up to the idea of Jim Leavitt.
     
  12. justtxyank

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    This just isn't even close to reality. It isn't about not having that dominant season, it's about demonstrating that uh is a valid financial winner. That means attendance, th ratings, fan interest, alumni donations, institutional financial support over a significant duration.
     
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    Uh is on the verge of proving that but go screwed by timing this time around. The big 12 is an unstable conference that played with expansion in order to get more Money out of the tv network for the next few years before the whole thing blows up.

    The big problem is that uh really needed that financial infusion to keep up the pace while we cross our fingers for the next round in 4 years or so.
     
  14. Nick

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    And those are all aspects in which UH remains a mid tier school.

    It's just a lousy college football city. Doesn't mean it won't ever get there, but even with a tremendous season last year, and a stellar start this year, they weren't moving the needle here.
     
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    I respect your willingness to speak on and share what many UH alums and those with a large media voice will never do.

    Yes, the manner in which he left was unacceptable. However, this was a man who's trying to instill "core values" into 18-19 year olds but didn't hold himself to those same principles.

    "It is what it is," is an appropriate response of accepting our current reality. 3 times in the last 15 years has had us witness losing our coaches to P5 schools within Texas. History keeps repeating itself and it won't stop until we have a P5 invite and/or someone who truly loves the school, the city and wants to elevate the football program's (national) status with no interest in other jobs.

    When I heard the rumors last year that he begun talking to other schools, it was evident we weren't going to get 4-5 years with him. I believe if USC would of offered him instead of re-signing Clay that he would left for his "dream job." I didn't expect a 2 year stint but not surprised he left.

    Our losses were absolutely impacted by the rumors, no matter what he says. He didn't have the team focused as he was eyeing other schools and we suffered on the field. I believe if he was all in, we would of been 11-1 with a potential playoff spot. Navy's a good team but losses to SMU and Memphis should not have happened.

    He's talking to other schools, he's linked to multiple programs, he tried to hide behind using the "it's not fair to the university and our fans" when asked about other openings and he could never say this is where I want to be because he was never committed to us.

    We're fully aware that this is not ok but we have a vision of where we want to be. We have to swallow some pride for now. Matt Thomas won't say anything negative (yet?) and UH officials have been classy in his departure. Remember, this is going to happen again. We can't badmouth him to portray a negative image on how we'd handle the next coach leaving. We're trying to remain attractive to these next up and coming coach(es) to ensure we keep getting good coaches to help us get to where we want to be.

    What would we achieve by pinning Herman down? He didn't want to stay and he's gone. Nothing will change this. If he didn't want to be here, good riddance.

    Now, we need to remain true to the players who make the program and focus on making another good hire. The Htown Takeover will continue because it's up to the alumni and fans to support the players who don the city and the school whose name on the front of the jersey we love.



     
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    I don't know why some of y'all are acting under the assumption that UH is some great powerhouse that only lost because of distractions. The team beat Tulsa at home by an inch. Where was the distraction there? 2 years, ago, this team lost to UTSA in the new stadium opener. It has come a long way under Herman, but it's not like UH is a flawless team that can't be beat. I've seen most home games the last two years, and every week I see blown coverages and plays left on the field where better teams with good execution could kill us.

    Anyhow, I'm happy Herman ripped up the crappy offices when he arrived and was able to get improvements to our facilities. I'm glad he brought much needed attention to UH. Hopefully we keep improving in all aspects and eventually become attractive enough for the PAC or ACC.
     
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    99ers are the best posters
    Regardless of school affiliation
    They just speak the truth
     
  18. Angkor Wat

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    hahaha tom herman, the same guy that got all pissed off at 610 for saying he might leave?? HOW DARE YOU MENTION I COULD LEAVE UH RARRRRR lol what a fraud. its not surprising he left, we all knew there would be big offers headed his way. its just the douchebag way he went about it like there was no way he would leave Houston.
     
  19. crazeazn

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    Good: UH got some national attention, upped some facilities
    Bad: more of the same, coaches leave after short stint for greener pastures which will lead to **** recruiting
    Ugly: this will continue

    Bottom line: UH needs to stop being so short-sighted as a school (beyond football). If you want coaches/talent/US News rankings to go up, there needs to be institutional change. Instead of floundering as a Top-100 school in academics and football it needs to make some all-in 2-7 off-suit moves otherwise it will continue to stagnate where it stands. This goes beyond football (albeit football is an important prong for a D1 school). I'd rather them hire a no-name who bleeds Cougar red.

    Disclosure: I have skin in the game as a UTD/UT/UH alum.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    This is literally the opposite of the truth.
     
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