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[Official] Astros Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 2, 2016.

  1. Jeremy Williams

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    Ahh...just a fantasy baseball dream...enjoy then!
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Never got to see him in college regrettably, I did get to see Berkman hit balls at Reckling about as far as any whiteboy should be allowed to.

    I served up a proper bomb to Bubba Crosby back in HS. I threw 1 pitch past Cheo Jr, I'm still proud of that, then he hit a double. Kelly Wunsch threw the fastest baseball I have ever not seen.
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    Of course it would. All I'm saying is that there are deals Astros would do for Goldy that would include one near MLB arm. Not saying these deals would be acceptable to the DBacks.
     
  4. houstonstime

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    Honest question: What is, if there is one, the lowest stat line you would have to see over this next year to keep Bregman on the "no trade list" ?

    In other words, if Bregman does below X/Y/Z with N homeruns, then I would consider trading him for big names.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If he performs below that certain stat line then doesn't that devalue him to potential trade partners? And, if it doesn't devaule him to trade partners, why should it devalue him to the Astros?
     
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    True, I just can't remember the last time someone was SO untradeable. I guess I'm more wondering what people expect out of him which makes him so off limits.
     
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    Excluding his first 34 PAs, he hit .308/.355/.562 with a WRC+ of 147 over the last two months. Small sample size of course, but that number over a full season would have tied him for 10th best WRC+ in the entire league.

    My expectations are extremely high: .300 BA, .350-.360 OBP and .800+ OPS. Straight up I expect him to be an above average regular as a first season pro with all-star upside.
     
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  8. Nick

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    There's a lot of prospects over the years that have reached "god-like" status without even getting a single MLB AB.

    Bregman not only was a highly touted prospect... but he ended up adapting and having some actual MLB success... all within 1 year of being drafted.

    Those are the special ones. Guys that all teams strive to draft/develop/promote. When you trade for an established player, they may not even be close to that sort of pedigree... let alone coming with the salary demands that Bregman will not come close to requiring for another several years.

    Surely, nobody is absolutely "untradeable"... but Correa and Bregman should come as close to that as possible.
     
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    There is no 2016 statline that magically renders Bregman un-tradeable. What makes him un-tradeable is a combination of his youth (22 years old), price (dirt cheap), long-term control, and the fact that he was our most competent hitter (sans Altuve) and defender (sans Marisnick) after four weeks in the majors.

    I think he will hover around 300/350/800 with 20 2Bs, 25 HR, 85 RBI, 105 R, 12 SB. Again, what makes him so off-limits is his price and team control for the majority of the next decade--not just 2016.
     
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    Yes it is when none of those are an ace. Astros need another arm, top flight pitcher, before looking to move any starters. you can't slug your way to a World Series when pitching is far more important in playoff series. So if a McCullers, Musgrove or Martes is traded it will be for better pitcher not another hitter.
    Altuve would be the only person on my no trade list. Everybody is on the table depending on what star we get in return.
     
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    Did you not watch his rookie season?
     
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    I think he slashes about .290/.350/.475
     
  14. Joe Joe

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    Odds are doubtful that all three of McCullers, Musgrove, and Martes are pitching in the playoffs.

    P.S. I thought I was one of the outliers as far as not wanting to trade young MLB/near-MLB pitching.
     
  15. Joe Joe

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    I wouldn't say he is untradeable....I would say he's the type of player Astros are trying to acquire and the Astros farm system is good enough that they have value elsewhere that can be traded before him.
     
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    I meant to convey my agreement that he is the type of position player that qualifies as a game changer. Is there any reason he is mentioned other than he fits what we need? Any indications the Dbacks want to unload him?
     
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    There were a lot of things that impressed me with Bregman, but I have to say the kid has a damn good glove as well. Handled 3B extremely well last year.
     
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    Top 10 FA's and potential trade targets I've gathered from various MLB insider sites that the Astros have strong interest in acquiring

    FA's

    Mike Napoli (1B)
    Luis Valbuena (1B, 2.6 WAR)
    Steve Pearce (1B, 2.4 WAR)
    Mitch Moreland (1B, 1.8 WAR)
    Dexter Fowler (OF, 3.2 WAR)
    Ian Desmond (OF, 3.0 WAR)
    Carlos Beltran (OF/DH)
    Michael Saunders (OF, 2.4 WAR)
    Mark Melancon (Closer)
    Boone Logan (LHRP)

    Trade Rumors:

    Victor Martinez (DH)
    Miguel Cabrera (1B)
    Eric Hosmer (1B)
    Andrew McCutchen (OF)
    Lorenzo Cain (OF)
    J.D. Martinez (OF)
    Sonny Gray (SP)
    Justin Verlander (SP)
    Chris Archer (SP)
    Wade Davis (Closer)

    Hosmer, Cain, W Davis, Moustakas and Danny Duffy are all entering there final years. Royals know they won't be able to retain several of them.
     
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    You left EE off your list. EE is my #1 high dollar FA target. After that I'd like Beltran and/or Napoli, and Melancon. Unless a team is trying to off-load a high dollar contract (like MCab), I see no reason to trade away anything for an offensive piece. Any trading should be done for a SP return.
     

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