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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    Trudeau has been in office for a year and he gets this done.

    What has Obama done with his faux alarmist rhetoric?

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  2. JuanValdez

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    Canada is much better situated to go green with their electric generation biz because they have a lot of hydro power (over half of their supply stack). They are also rich in gas, so they can still rely on that to replace coal for conventional. And they have their share of nukes as well. Coal represents less than 15% of electricity produced. In the US, it's more like 1/3rd and we don't have the big hydro sources Canada has. The difference in eliminating coal power in Canada and the US is night and day.
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    Since the US produces 33% of electricity from coal and 40% comes from federal land: .33 x .40 = 13%

    13% is roughly what Canada intends to eliminate from its electric grid. Doable? Did Obama attempt to do anything, or was it all just rhetoric?
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    Obama's attempts have either been blocked by the courts or tied up in courts. Obama didn't do have to do much since natural gas is cheaper than coal and less polluting. Furthermore, China doesn't want to keep using coal in the manner they have been so coal's days are numbered.

    I think you are confusing Trump and Obama.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Not sure what exactly can be attributed to Obama but the move away from coal is pretty huge, plus the amount of renewable energy capacity added exceeds fossil fuel based energy for the past 2 years.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    sorry, couldn't help myself. :D
     
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  7. Cohete Rojo

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    Do you have actual examples or are you just making this up as usual?

    #fakeposts
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL.... Try Googling "Obama coal policy" and see what you get.

    You merely can't discuss anything past posting articles, a real shame.

    #notsmartenough
     
  9. dmoneybangbang

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    Because we know the factors that effect climate and we aren't technically living in an ice age. The models have consistently predicted the rising temperatures.

    So now you are moving the goalposts from "do greenhouse gases effect the climate" to how much they impact it. We don't know precisely, but we do know that large volcanic eruptions can cause abrupt climate change. We know the effects of short term pollution as smog.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    You made the claim. Now back it up with some evidence.

    #westerncivilization
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    I came across this piece about how Florida's white sand beaches are all artificial and the state now running out of sand. Climate change is greatly exacerbating that and many local communities are facing stark choices.
    http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13660014/miami-beach-sand-erosion-nourishment-climate-change

    It's a pretty long article but for anyone interested in geology, the science of coastal erosion it's worth reading. I will quote a few key parts.
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    SAND'S END
    Miami Beach has run out of sand. Now what?

    The beach is the centerpiece of the city’s promise of escape — escape from cold winters or college classes or family, where you can drink goblets of bright green liquor and cruise down Ocean Drive in a rented tangerine Lamborghini before retiring to the warm sand. To the casual observer, the beach may look like the only natural bit of the city, a fringe of shore reaching out from under the glass and pastel skyline. But this would be false: the beach is every bit as artificial as the towers and turquoise pools. For years the sea has been eating away at the shore, and the city has spent millions of dollars pumping up sand from the seafloor to replace it, only to have it wash away again. Every handful of sand on Miami Beach was placed there by someone.

    That sand is washing away ever faster. The sea around Miami is rising a third of an inch a year, and it’s accelerating. The region is far from alone in its predicament, or in its response to an eroding coast: it’s becoming hard to find a populated beach in the United States that doesn’t require regular infusions of sand, says Rob Young, director of the Program for the Study of Developed Shorelines at Western Carolina University. Virginia Beach, North Carolina’s Outer Banks, New York’s Long Island, New Jersey’s Cape May, and countless other coastal cities are trapped in the same cycle, a cycle whose pace will become harder to maintain as the ocean rises.

    "There isn’t a natural grain of sand on the beach in Northern New Jersey; there is no Miami Beach unless we build it," Young says. "The real endangered species on the coast of the US isn’t the piping plover or the loggerhead sea turtle. It’s an unengineered beach."
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    That job largely fell to the US Army Corps of Engineers. Dredges floated offshore, extending scoops or hoses tipped with cutter heads into the seafloor and piping sand back onto the eroding beach. Nourishment, as the practice is called, maintained the beach, but it was also an admission that there would never be a permanent solution to fixing the shore in place. Once you start nourishing a beach, you can never stop. Its equilibrium state lies elsewhere, and wave after wave will eat away at the shore, and you’ll keep having to find new sand to replace it.
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    There was a sense, in council meetings and public statements, that Miami Beach was reaping what it sowed, and that with the sea rising, it was every county for itself. "They’ve squandered their sand, they’ve overdeveloped, they’ve depleted their resources and now they want to come and take ours," says Sarah Heard, a Martin County Commissioner. "We need to protect that offshore site, we need to guard it very carefully. We don’t know exactly how sea level rise is going to impact us, but we know it’s accelerating rapidly, we know there’s going to be inundation."

    Heard is a Republican, but laments her party’s denial of climate change. (Last year, the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting found that the state's governor, Rick Scott, forbid state officials from using the term in emails or reports.) Jacqui Thurlow-Lippisch, another Martin County commissioner who objected to the Corps plan, is also a Republican, and also clear-eyed about what rising seas will do to her community. Just as there are proverbially no atheists in foxholes, it’s increasingly difficult to be a local politician in coastal Florida and deny the sea is rising.

    Yet what to do about it at a local level is a conundrum. Right now, the answer is to keep piling on more sand. Thurlow-Lippisch describes nourishment as a loop her town is trapped in: the most expensive property is on the beach, she says, and letting it fall into the sea would rob her county of 30 percent of its tax base, making it impossible to fund schools, run buses, and provide lunches for children in need. Though she wonders whether she’s doing the right thing, she continues to fight for the sand that her community will eventually have to put on its shore. "We all have to look ourselves in the mirror and ask, is this a sustainable life? What are we doing here? But right now, we’re in it, we’re doing it.""
     
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  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I wonder when Floridian Republicans are going to stop denying climate change. Hopefully before their cities are under water
     
  13. JayGoogle

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    When their cities are under water they'll find a way to blame Democrats. Trust me. We've already had people here blame Democrats for Trump.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Sea rise is not at the same rate everywhere. I remember reading the US east coast will be one of the hardest hit. In a way this is good. Part of the GW problem is the impact is so slow and the connection is hard to see by the common folks. So these impacts are important to wake up folks from those places. And I don't care who they want to blame as long as they realize the issues and change policies to deal with them.
     
  15. Dei

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    OK. And how does adopting liberal green policies help abate rising sea waters?
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It won't. It's too late because you idiots screwed things up beyond repair.

    Now you're only hope is that we find a technology to remove CO2 from the atmosphere or reflect sunlight away from the ice caps / glaciers so they don't melt completely. But with you idiots denying the problem exists because you fear "liberal green policies" not even that can happen.

    Instead of putting a man on the moon again, we should be investing in fusion power. Of course that won't happen because it would hurt the coal industry.

    So let's all pray that China leads the way - it's up to them now.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    I was a climate change denier I know how easy it is to dismiss. Once you get your eyes opened you are so disappointed with yourself for being duped.
     
  18. Cohete Rojo

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    Wait...

    So, man-made beaches that require consistent attention are signs of climate change? I think I've heard it all.
     
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  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Tomorrow it will be:

    Oceans 10 feet higher is a result of climate change? I think I've heard it all.
     
  20. JayZ750

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    Did you read the article? It explains the situation in a way that might be less confusing for you than just the soundbite.
     

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