[Stein] Rockets Latest DMo offer "multiyear starts at a fully guaranteed $7m in Yr 1"

He is not injured, it has been more than 18 months since he had minor surgery, if he was INJURED the team would not be offering the 7m - what is going on here, is typical RFA type of stuff - teams don't want to overpay for him (ala Anderson) and the Rockets certainly are not going to.

So, DMo is trying to improve his situation once injuries around the league happen, or he is waiting until he can't be traded to sign.

All of this silly conjecture is ridiculous - this is a contract holdout, happens all the time, he will eventually sign.....

IMHO, he should have signed the QO, but it is not my career - it is his....and he shouldn't give two craps for the Rockets until he signs with them....it is his career, his life, his decision - the Rockets already tried to trade him, and he might very well be butt hurt over that.....it happens.

Happened to Horry, happened to Bullard, happened to Luis......this is a business, he is learning that the hard way...but seems to be a fast learner.

Sit back, and enjoy the team and when Dmo signs, we will see what he can add to the team.

DD

 

I understand some of what you're saying but I don't understand him not losing money. He's already lost $1.1m and counting for missing 15% of the season based on a $7mm contract. He'll lose over $4mm if he waits until the trade deadline, assuming that the $7mm contract is still on the table. If the offer drops to $4m then, he'll have lost $5.5mm and won't recover it. If hen had just signed the QO he could have achieved the same result but gotten more money. One thing is clear - he doesn't have a big offer waiting for him out there - if he did, it would have happened already bc he is buring money as the season goes along.

 

He's not injured, there are legitimate concerns about his long-term health though. Everyone knew he had back surgery last year. Detroit was perfectly fine with trading for him if his recovery and condition was like JJ Redick's, who had the exact same procedure. The fact that they voided the trade despite loving his game tells you there is a legitimate issue.

And this is not about teams not willing to overpay, since injury plagued players are getting signed to huge contracts left and right. Wesley Matthews got a huge deal coming off of an achilles tear, Mozgov got $64 million despite several injuries and poor production, Chandler Parsons just got his second max contract coming off his second knee surgery. Noah got $72 million despite being completely done. DMo is the only notable RFA not signed, his only offer being a $7M guaranteed deal. Why do you think that is?

I think DMo would be perfect for the system we're running. His play last year post-recovery wasn't terrible and I think we'll see him in prime form again in time. But that's me being optimistic and a fan. I'm not comfortable with the team throwing him a big contract and apparently no team in the NBA is either.

 

There is a lot of conjecture here about DMo's injury. The guessing seems to fall on the spectrum of "how badly I want him back" or "I don't want to lose an asset for nothing".

I don't know the real reason that Detroit rescinded the trade. I still believe that if Detroit had won its first two games after trading for him (and, coincidentally, after the All Star break), then it would have erred on the side of "well, he'll be fine". But facing the prospect of losing a decent first rounder, they balked, and shot a black ink cloud in its retreat like a scared octopus.

But, again, like everybody else, just a guess.

 

I think DMo and co. know exactly how much they are foregoing each day; if we know, they know.

The decision is, however, not based on how much they are losing for not signing for an extra day, but rather, how much they are EXPECTED to gain by waiting on (CBA, better offer etc) relative to how much they are throwing away by not accepting the CURRENT offer. Although it is of common belief that DMo is depleted of leverage, the fact that they chose to wait indicates that the expected payoff is still perhaps larger than signing a 7 million contract now. The tipping point is just not there yet.

 

Lmao keep trying......

 

Hahaha

Minor surgery that kept him out for nearly a year?

When's the last contract holdout that lasted until November in the nba?

 

No, he was healthy and played last year in the playoffs, remember? Oh right, that doesn't fit the narrative, nor does the 7m offer from the Rockets....easier for folks to think it is just his back - except it isn't.

HE PLAYED LAST YEAR IN THE PLAYOFFS - if he was hurt the Rockets would not have played him, nor would they be offering him $7m a year - think people, THINK!

DD

 

Forget the 'narrative', here are the cold hard facts:

1) He had surgery on April 7, 2015. Recovery was slower than originally expected.
2) He wasn't able to return until December 5, 2015 - nearly 8 months later, and 21 games into the regular season.
3) After only 14 games and after December 31, 2015, he was unable to play due to back pain, going back on the injured list.
4) He then missed another 2 months and 25 regular season games, returning on February 27, 2016.
5) During that time, he was traded to the Pistons but failed a physical on February 22 due to his back.

All told, he missed 10 months of action during an 11 month period with only 14 games played during that span.

He did manage to play 28 of the Rocket's last 29 games, and while he had some good moments he did not yet look like the same player he was before he was hurt.

I like DMo, hope we sign him, and think he's a good fit for D'Antoni's offense.
Time will tell whether his back is healthy, and will hold up. It's clearly worth a $7M gamble for the Rockets.

 

To say he was completely healthy in the playoffs might be a bit off base DD.

I would say his health was promising, but we could definitely still see some limitations from something. No one knows If it was pain, or conditioning, simply because there was a potential financial reward for D-Mo not to tell anyone anything about his injuries. All we have is the eye test, and his game which for whatever reason was just off. I hope and pray it wasn't pain!

 

He literally failed a medical exam. And that $7m offer is only guaranteed for this year. The rockets won't give up any cap flexibility for him, which is probably due to injury concerns. Again, why does he have no other offers in an offseason where everyone got ridiculous contracts?

 

The ONLY part that matters, he is healthy, I agree.

And it will take a while to knock the rust off...but he is fine.

And for those that think he actually FAILED the medical exam, and that Detroit did not pull out because they got cold feet, you are just wrong.

Because he is a RESTRICTED free agent - and a role player, teams don't want to overspend on him, and they know that a moderate offer the Rockets will match.

Stop looking for magic reasons, this is simple economics, period.

DD

 

People acting like they knew exactly what was going on in Detroit FO's minds are hilarious. Unless you were there or a fly on the wall, that's just unsubstantiated opinions. Let's deal with facts here please.

 

I understand that logic during the summertime. If you make the offer you may tie up your money and lose out on other free agents. But the time it WELL past and there aren't any other free agents of note out there. If you have the cap there is no downside to making an offer and seeing if the rockets match in 3 days. The fact is no one appears to be that interested.

 

So despite all the published reports we can count on your insider knowledge about why Detroit voided the trade? This coming from someone who insisted we were sitting a healthy DMo only so we could showcase TJones for a trade, only to throw a tantrum when we ended up trading DMo instead.

Teams don't want to overspend on a role player, while guys like Kent Bazemore and Solomon Hill are getting $70m and $48m, respectively. Mozgov gets 4yr/$64m. Chandler Parsons and Harrison Barnes were role players going into restricted free agencies and got max contracts. Yet it's economics as to why DMo is looking at a 1yr/$7m contract.

 

No restricted free agent has ever received a contract offer.

 

No. That's not clear. That's an assumption. The wrong assumption.

He's not losing a dime of that $7 million.

 

14 points and 13 boards in our only win.

 

SB Nation article today:

Pistons were right to think twice on Donatas Motiejunas trade

"In a rare move, the Pistons changed their mind after trading for then-Rockets big man last February. Good thing."

 

maybe he's turning down 10 mil offers from other teams... maybe DMo thinks he's worth 15... idk