The two tech working with Maive . . . . they are far far too compliant. It is getting quite annoying Rocket River
It sure seems that way doesn't it? I am starting to wonder if the MIB is.... Spoiler: Speculation Logan and not William
Spoiler actually looking back over the episode I believe we were shown three different timelines. You see Dolores walking up ahead of William to the ghost town(present, Ford recently dug up this town and this actually present Dolores reliving her memories with William as Maeve relived her memory when she cut Clementine). Then you see her in the same town where all the hosts are in their early programming stages (this seems to be before Williams time around when Arnold probably died). Then you see Dolores snap out of it in Williams time where she has the gun to her head and you can see the church still buried in dirt. As for the MIB, they're really pushing William as the MiB. He recognized the host girl as the same host from 30 years ago when he first arrived at the park and he talks about being married for 30 years. In Williams timeline (30 years ago) he was set to be married to Logans sister.
Spoiler Still not seeing it as confirmed 4 story lines 1. Bernard - Theresa's death is 30 yrs after park opens or 30 A.P.O 2. Man in Black - his trails seems to be 30 A.P.O 3. Delorus - She had a flash back but her current time is not establish - could be 30 A.P.O. 4. Maive - Had several flash backs - could be 30 A.P.O. -- her daughter thing is at least 2 yrs before - and MIB was looking old then I am a bit slow today so . . . . .explain it like a 4 yr old. Rocket River
We got confirmation of the dual timeline theory because the woman that the man in black found tied up is the woman the same host that greeted William when we first arrived to West World and helped him pick his clothes. MIB said to her something about being surprised she was still being used, guess Ford couldn't get rid of a pretty face. We are confirmed now to have at least two timelines going with the MIB storyline being the "present" and William being the past. (not confirmed they are the same person) I'm also in the camp that thinks we are seeing Dolores in two times as well, but it's still only a dual timeline. In timeline 1 she is with William. In the modern timeline she is concurrent with MIB but is retracing her steps with William from Timeline 1. What's interesting is that we got confirmation that Bernard killed Elsie. However, Elsie was investigating the device that was broadcasting Arnold's message to the hosts wasn't she? So if Ford sent him to kill her, was he aware of what's happening in the park as well regarding Arnold's messages? Was there ever even an Arnold?
Also, I'm starting to wonder if Ford himself is a host. Lots of little things that suggest it. Heck the MIB even speculated about it. However, Ford refers to Bernard as his partner quite a bit, I'm wondering if the original Arnold was who we now see as Bernard and he built Ford. Ford achieved sentience and built Bernard to replicate the partnership after whatever happened to Arnold...well..happened.
Your 1 and 2 are the same time line. Spoiler 1. Present: a. Ford dug up old town b. Bernard killed Theresa c. Dolores went back to old town; they showed it as a ghost town. d. MiB has been riding around with Teddy looking for Wyatt. e. Maeve trying to escape the park, controlling other hosts and techs 2. Past 1 - William and Dolores (30 years ago from present) a. The find the old town but it is buried b. We can infer Arnold at this point has been dead for a few years c. William is set to Mary Logan's sister d. Logan's company is set to acquire Westworld i. If MiB=William, this could be how MiB is able to do whatever he wants in the park since he would have moved up in the company 3. Past 2 - a few years before Past 1 a. Dolores is in the old town seeing all of the hosts during basic programming b. She shoots up the place c. This could be where Arnold dies and be the big event that almost caused the park to close down that was referenced by Logan in Past 1. Not sure where Maeve's story with the child fits. Could be a few years before the present because we see the MiB kill them both.
Past 2 in your post is really just flashbacks happening with characters in the present, it's not an active storyline. I know that this is a small distinction, but I think people pushing the "four timeline" theory are adding too much confusion. We are seeing two main storylines playing out with the characters having flashbacks during them that show us alternate times. That's the same as any show with a flashback though and we wouldn't call them multiple timelines. Two timelines+flashbacks. I'm just at a loss for how Ford has manipulated the hosts with his thoughts.
Agreed. I hate using the term "timeline" because it can get quite confusing and I really believe the only timeline is the one where the MiB exists and everything else are just Delores memories that she is re-enacting.
I think timeline works for the two main stories because we are seeing a full version of the two timelines. The stuff with William isn't just a quick Flashback in one scene Like Maeve's memories, we are actually watching that play out. It's all one timeline technically but we are watching two different points on that timeline concurrently. My theory on the show: Spoiler For the purpose of this theory I will use the William storyline as my point of reference and call it year 0. Dolores chats with Bernard are really Arnold. We are seeing those in flashbacks when she dreams. These all are a few years before year 0 and are her achieving sentience under the guidance of Arnold who was determined to have a sentient robot. Those chats end with Arnold basically telling her to destroy the park. The flashback we saw of her in that town killing everyone was her going nuts after her chats with Arnold. Year 0-This is a few years after the "death" of Arnold and the incident with Dolores. The park has changed and is struggling financially. William and Logan arrive and go through their storyline with Dolores. Dolores is struggling in this timeline because William has taken her off her loop and she is flashing back and once again achieving sentience. This storyline will end in disaster, probably with Ford shutting it down in some way, but definitely not happily ever after. William will become aware of Arnold being the "brains" behind WestWorld and will lose Delores. Year 35-This is the Man in Black story line. Following whatever the end result of year 0 is, William goes back to his "real life" but is never happy because as he said, how could he be after what he's experience with Dolores in WestWorld? His wife leaves him and takes his kid, and now he has returned to WestWorld to finally find the real meaning. Dolores has once again gone off loop, triggered by her latest experience with MIB and flashbacks. She is retracing her steps with William from Year 0.
I agree. I haven't enjoyed this story line from the beginning. This story line could have easily been adjusted and made it much more logical... For example, Felix could have been 'in love' with Maeve after constantly repairing her and she used that to her advantage.
I think he's more interested in being a programmer and bringing these hosts to life. Going back to the bird scene where he was programming it. That's what I got from it.
I agree we haven't had it presented well, but they did try to establish that Felix obsessed with programming and wants to create life basically with his bird stuff.
