Chuck Schumer Is All In On Bernie Sanders’ Democratic Party

Sanders not being involved with the Dems is an easy one - he's not a member of the Democratic party right now. But I've been following the UK scene as well and the comparison of the Dems to UK's Labour is a great analogy. Both parties have moved their policies so far to the left and have damaged the interests of and alienated the working class.

The Brexit platform was leveraged on a few key ideas: (1) the UK taking back sovereign powers from the EU, (2) the EU failing as a trading block and acting more as a protectionist union, and (3) immigration. The Conservative party, which lead the official campaign for Brexit, campaigned on the platform of national sovereignty they consistently sagged in the, admittedly, rigged polls (similar to the US eh?) until UKIP ran their own campaign based on immigration and used anti-establishment rhetoric did Leave finally show some chance of winning.

On the other side, the Remain camp, composed of half the Conservatives, Labour, and the Liberal Democrats, was practically in shambles. They had a lot of trouble making a positive case for the EU. Their campaign was accused of having zero energy and full of fear mongering (again, *wink,wink*). Labour had a particularly low performance and were practically MIA, which was the reason Labour MPs rebelled against Corbyn and called for a leadership contest after the referendum (his entire cabinet practically resigned; and it's also interesting to note that his wife is Mexican).

So, to sum up, yes, there were a lot of parallels between the election and Brexit. We'll see now whether or not the Dems continue to follow Labour's fate of further falling out of favor with the working class (which includes blacks and Latinos). I'd like to note though that the US has actually leapfrogged the UK in terms of the shift towards conservatism. UKIP may have been the main force during Brexit but they did not win last year's general election by a long shot. They have 1 MP in parliament. UK's first past the post system is just an incredibly tall barrier for new parties. In contrast, the Republicans now control the presidency, the Senate, the House, and soon the Supreme Court (lol).

Going back to Nigel Farage, though, because this man's influence towards massive political events this year has flown mostly under the radar, I think, it's no understatement to say he's been mostly responsible for bringing down most of the political establishment in the West. He put forth in the EU Parliament (he's co-head of a group in the EU) the major case for Brexit, which is now looking to be the first brick down the wall for the dissolution of the EU. Other populist movements across Europe from France, Germany, Italy, Austria etc. are looking towards UKIP and using the arguments Farage put forward. And, of course, he was involved in Trump's campaign in the US.

Nigel was invited to the RNC by the governor of Mississippi, Phil Bryant, which created a new precedent considering the RNC traditionally invited Conservative politicians as guests. Farage was introduced to Trump and Farage then spoke for a Trump rally in Mississippi:



We don't know exactly how the things Nigel and Trump talked about behind the scenes but Trump has used Brexit as a premise for his campaign many times and, right after that, did Trump really begin using the anti-establishment theme. Nigel also helped coach Trump for the second presidential debate.

He's known Steve Bannon for years, as Breitbart has a UK branch. Bannon's been quoted as saying Trump and Farage speak regularly. So, yeah, he's one to keep an eye on.

 

You two are hilarious.

I guess when you are in free fall to the right, everything standing still appears to be moving to the left.

In today's climate, Ronald Reagan and friends would be written off as a liberals and relegated to the Democratic Party. In the 1980's, Bernie Sanders would have been a middle-of-the-road Democrat. Now he's relegated to "fringe kook" status by the right.

Maybe the by "moving to the left" you mean, "not moving fast enough to the right".

BTW, Bernie Sanders will be nearly 80 by the time Trump's first term is up. The oldest elected president ever was Trump at 70. Bernie Sanders is in the process of being "John McCain-ed" by Father Time.

 

Go look at candidates' policy statements from the 1980's, and you tell me.

In the 90's, half the Democrats spent their time grumbling under their breaths because Bill Clinton was too conservative and not a "real Democrat".

 

You are right. Today's Democrats love to talk about expanding welfare, raising taxes, and passing the ERA like they did back then, and they really spend most of their time draping themselves in the flag of organized labor 24/7 like they used to do, too. I hear them talking about "full employment" and "wealth redistribution from the privileged few" as they used to in their party platforms. And disarmament and affirmative action are big, too.

 

When you have this much anger in the system, to divert it outward begets fascism, and to divert it inward begets communism. Democrats underestimated the amount of anger in the system and clung to the centrist platform past the expiration date. They need to wake up from that trance asap.

Just like in a different thread someone is trying to beat me over the head that even without TPP, manufacturing ain't coming back. Yeah, and? Does that message resonate with the states that turned red this time? Is it really going to help the cause if all you have to offer is to keep calling people stupid?

 

Honestly think the only people that hate 'government handouts' are conservatives that will never vote democrat any ways. Obama had no problem selling this change. People want jobs and Clinton never really hit on that.

 

Time, it will solve the Republican party, that is my bet. This is the first presidential election that white voters is less than 70% of the electorate.

 

So the options are;

1.) Lie to the public - promise them all kinds of stuff you can't deliver and don't intend to deliver - and get elected.

2.) Try and be honest and never win.

That is a pretty severe commentary on the electorate and their inability to learn from past scams.

That having been said, I don't remember HRC or her campaign calling the electorate stupid, even once. in case you don't remember, Obama won on "Hope & Change", so I'm not sure this problem you perceive exists.

There seems to be a big echo chamber here, with conservatives projecting all sorts of portentous systemic problems on Dems. The truth is, the Dems just spent 8 years running the White House. Historically the job is pretty cyclical. IMO people are making way too much oft of a single loss by a turd of a candidate.

 

Wow the corporate Dems have almost thrown in the towel if Shumer the king of the Wall Streets Dems is asking for Bernie Sanders to save the party.

This is a big repudiation of the Clinton-Obama Wall Street Dem years.