How much influence will China & Russia now gain?

I expect deals are already being floated between Dems and the Trump people about trading votes on key legislation for promises not to prosecute. A pardon for Clinton from Obama would be so transparent...but imagine a pardon for Clinton from Trump? Would do wonders for healing in this country.

 

Don't be so god damn dramatic. One person (an important sure) will change in the machine that is the USA government and military.

Now for some real talk, is it so bad that Russia, China, and USA rule the world together. I say it like that in jest but the topic is a serious question. They are the former, current, and emerging super powers so why is it a bad thing that they work together.

 

The actual trade imbalance with China is no where near as large as commonly portrayed. How trade deficits/surpluses are calculated currently are outdated & extremely inaccurate.
http://www.dw.com/en/economists-say-us-china-trade-imbalance-figures-are-distorted/a-6408723
The problem is not which country is more at risk in a trade war or who will win a trade war (nobody wins in a trade war), the issue is that China will absolutely have to respond to any Trump attempt at tariff increase tit-for-tat and increase their tariffs against US exports accordingly (to serve as a deterrent for other countries in the present & as some kind of precedence for the future)

 

I am thinking that Obama is left alone so as to not incite accusations of Trump pursuing a witch hunt. As for Clinton, Obama probably made a deal with Trump to give up Hilary for her pay to play with the Clinton foundation. As far as the email deletions, I think that will be swept aside.

Trump will not risk pissing off the people who voted for him by pardoning Clinton. He is distancing himself from any prosecution of Clinton so as to not anger the other side accusing him of a witch hunt, but behind the scenes he will probably push someone like Gowdey to pursue the prosecution of Hillary.

 

I have no idea. Bush and Obama have been dancing around China so it seems like both sides are going with the status quo of not rocking the boat. Judging from the numbers, it looks that China has done a lot to hollow out economies in the American midwest while enriching the coasts and the rich, but confrontation is not enough to go by to solve that problem.

Real wars involve sacrifice and this will be no different. Trump or whoever is handling this better have an idea what they want out of a trade war other than "more jobs and more money for America".

Because if they **** up and ruin the status quo, that means more militarization for both sides (in order to save face and avoid blame by their people) and more confrontation.

In case people forgot, Republicans were supposed to be the pro-business pro-globalization party. They should have a better idea for this, right?

If Trump follows through with mending fences with Russia (by forgetting or ignoring their war crimes), this puts more heat on China as the competing power. The reality is that Russia, China, and Iran have an economic pact that serves them much better than a revolving door of presidential policies. We'll see in the next year where Trump's pivot will be and how much he'll use China as a prop against whatever domestic problem he has.

Trump echoed what Obama told Brown in private but later told the Atlantic. I don't know what NATO serves other than a way for Europeans to free ride defense.

I do think Trump keeps NATO amidst his bluster. He better hope his lack of confidence in treaties doesn't provoke a conflict that allows his allies to trigger NATO.

 

Sigh, that's why so long as our air and water are clean, that's the best that can be hoped for under the Drumpfster.

What your article described is exactly the policy China pursued over the last 15-20 years, and now the chickens are coming home to roost (not in the sense of pollution, which we already know, but how ultimately unsustainable this line of policy is), as we will see in the next year or two.

 

Who says they don't work together? It's where interests don't lie that causes problems, like China disputing territorial claims with our ally Japan or Russia trying to reform the Eastern Bloc before they run out of time.

 

I agree that the percentage of Chinese goods is decreasing that said it is still huge. As I said though the problem is focussing on goods while ignoring the other implications of a trade war.

I don't disagree with you that the PRC is in deep trouble. I've been saying that for years and have even heard it from the Chinese themselves. It's clear that their housing development is unsustainable and they are propping up their market. Yes they have been selling US bonds for awhile now to prop up things but they are still the largest foreign holders of US debt. Further Chinese investment in the US hit a high of $18.4 billion this year and I can tell you personally from my field that many are still eager to pursue more Chinese money. You have to consider that even if things are bad with the PRC they are not going to just sit back and accept hostile moves by the US regarding trade.

True you're correct that they weren't fans of Hillary Clinton. They look at Clinton as lecturing them about issues like human rights and also one who continue and advance cold war thinking in regard to the PRC. That said I don't think they trust Trump. They are enjoying some schadenfraude regarding the election but at the same time they prize stability and if we put any value in Trump's rhetoric things will not be stable at all regarding trade and international relations.

 

In a way, Trump IS the answer if he stays true to his campaign promise. Over the last 25 years, Sino-US trade relations have been exploited by the top on both sides to the detriment of the people on both side and the environment in China (and now casting a toxic cloud over a large swath of the Far East, not to mention Carbon footprint worldwide). Both sides should just take their marbles and go home to try to figure out a more sustainable path socially and environmentally, and I doubt US will be the loser of that vis-a-vis China.

Yes, the irony of pinning the hope of all that on Trump is not lost on me as I write this. I can only hope Trump figures out how to bring the jobs back and the rest of our system figures out how to minimize the collateral damage from that.

As an aside, my suspicion is that manufacturing WILL come back......to robots. Oh well, poor people are poor for a reason, because they have brains capable of foresight on a level similar to rats in a maze. But I digress.

Status quo was heading straight for the dystopia portrayed in so many sci-if movies, with the elites living in the clouds or space in their pristine environment, and the rest of the people scrapping by on the grounds in a filthy, destitute world.

In other words, California, Pacific Northwest, New England, vs the rest of the US. Lol.

For all the lip service the Democrats gave, they hardly did anything to alter that path, and the Republican obstruction excuse was bound to become tired and worn out.

 

Well if the GOP congress passes Trump's Keynesian infrastructure plan and heavy handed government regulations for trade, then their obstructionism was merely political and they sabotaged American growth due to politics.

 

Where have you been the last 20 years? China has been a super power.

 

TPP, and WTO before it, pushed for jobless growth, and our electorate has rejected it. Time to move on.

If those other stupid countries want to make deals with the devil, let them. South Korea is the best example. Now they have neither prosperity nor security to look forward to.

We'll see in 12-18 months that China's got neither super nor power. Its industry isn't even capable of manufacturing an entire ball point pen, for crying out loud!

 

Putin just have to say nice things to Trump and he get to do whatever he wants. China will suffer major economic setback in a trade war with the US, as will the US. Chinese government hackers infiltrate the Trump's administration to destroy him 4 later in the US election, if not to impeach him before.

 

As greasy and fitting as it sounds, I don't get why dems would trade policy for not prosecuting Clinton. Did I miss the memo on her being the liberal pope or Sacred Cow?

 

Did you miss their attempts at a coronation for her the past 2 years? Have you seen the freak out over the fact that their sacred cow was slaughtered by the public?

 

They both ran on a campaign of not being each other. The freak out is mostly because the other won.

 

Look, I was all for TPP. But if Drumpf is truly going to push to onshore manufacturing, then I'm all for us getting off the teats of WTO AND TPP. We don't need to make India and Indonesia into the next China at our workers' (perceived) expense.

And we will continue to be dependent on China for manufacturing when everything is going to be automated with robots because of...what exactly? Do you see how your position is internally inconsistent?

I think what Drumpf promised was bringing manufacturing jobs back. What his constituency failed to grasp is those jobs will be night shift plant security guards. Lol.