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[Stein] Rockets Latest DMo offer "multiyear starts at a fully guaranteed $7m in Yr 1"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. MrButtocks

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    DMo has already cost himself $850K by not signing. By the 23rd, it will have cost him a million. That's a hell of a price to pay for not wanting to be traded. No one hates being traded that much. He just appears to have overvalued himself or can't come to grips with how much the failed medical exam with the Pistons has affected his next contract. Had he passed that exam he'd be getting at least what Mozgov got (4yr/64mil), but now he's looking at a deal starting at $7mil with the years after that non-guaranteed. That's gotta suck for him, but there are no other offers coming.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Given that he has a standing offer for more than twice what he made last season, he could skip half the season and make more money than he did last season.
     
  3. heypartner

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    I've seen him switch on a pick *and* box out the big man at the same time -- breathtaking!!
     
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  4. MrButtocks

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    That's because he played for peanuts on a rookie scale contract. Do you think Chandler Parsons would have wanted to give up 85% of the first year of his contract with Dallas just because he still would have made more than his last year with Houston? How does skipping half the season and losing $3.5 million help DMo at all?
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    If it gets him at least a 2nd year guaranteed then it's well worth it.
     
  6. heypartner

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    Yeah, he could be thinking Morey is bluffing, and he'll increase the offer at the 11th hour (e.g., more guaranteed money). Pretty risky, though, I agree.

    Or, he might not care, if the offer drops or Morey is bluffing. By not being tradeable this year, DMo could be thinking playing in this system under MDA will increase his value (via better stats) to make up for any loss in lessor offer, thus let the "deadline" pass.

    The only other thing I can think of is there is another "long-standing offer" from another team, which isn't all that better, so DMo hasn't signed because he really prefers Houston/MDA and wants to keep the pressure on to see if Morey ups the offer....but might reconsider if Morey is not bluffing about the "deadline." Then Morey has to decide to match or not. The point of this scenario is DMo has a similar offer to fall back on, making him brave in this poker game with Morey.

    bottomline: I really have no clue what DMo's thinking. Nothing really sounds better than signing the 1yr QO back on October 1st (which also gave him trade veto power)....considering all this money he's lost to date.
     
  7. MrButtocks

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    If he could play at a fraction of his true ability the team would easily pick up the option on his 2nd year. There's no reason to give up half his salary on his first year to get a guarantee on the second. And even if he doesn't his option picked up for some crazy reason, guess what? He's free! He can sign anywhere he wants as an unrestricted free agent. All he has to do is prove that he's healthy for a year and can play well and he'll get a huge contract. But sitting out for a half year or an entire season doesn't let him earn that next huge contract.
     
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    Sure, but he also runs the risk of getting cut or instantly traded to a team he doesn't want to play for with no salary protection. If I'm gonna run the risk of being traded, I'd want guaranteed salary to be part of that deal.
     
  9. heypartner

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    Or just a one-yr deal, with no 2nd year, for more $$ than the QO. He wins on that, too, imo.

    But, either way....a 1yr or 2yr, we are back to the discussion of why not the 1yr QO back on Oct 1st (which included trade-veto power), considering the money he's losing in this hold-out, unless he's not willing to bet on himself in the upcoming free agent market.

    The more games he misses, the more that $4.4m QO looks better. I don't think there is much argument against saying DMo and BJ are losing the fight vs that QO.
     
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    Agreed, that's probably the two things he's looking for and I also agree that he should have just taken the damn QO to begin with. We'll see how it plays out.
     
  11. MrButtocks

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    Why would Houston cut him? They're going to offer him a $7mil contract and cut him right afterward? Even his play last year wouldn't have warranted being cut. That's just a ridiculous concern. And if he were that concerned with being traded, which really isn't that bad, he could have just signed the QO. I really don't understand why he didn't just sign the QO. What he's doing makes no sense other than he's butthurt that the Detroit medical screwed him over on his big contract.
     
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    When you have a non-guaranteed contract you are ALWAYS at risk of being cut, ask literally any NFL player.
     
  13. heypartner

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    hmmm. I just thought of an 11th hour counter-offer compromise by DMo/BJ ...
    • At the 11th hour on Nov 23rd, DMo and BJ counter with $5.46m for just 1yr (no team option), which exactly equals the QO's $4.4m take-home pay, once you subtract for missed games.
    • Morey takes it, because it's monetarily equal to the QO (for Les's pocketbook), and he can trade DMo anywhere (vs the QO which gave DMo veto power).
    • DMo takes it, because he becomes a UFA in the summer and money-wise, he gets his $4.4m = QO.
     
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    All true but what I meant is Morey will reduce the offer after the deadline rather than increase it.
     
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    You probably wanted him to sign the QO too?

    Why can't you see what's happening here?

    You guys that think DMo and BJ are stupid don't know what you're talking about.
     
  16. heypartner

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    I view it the other way around. If DMo caves and accepts a $7m/$8m second year (non-guaranteed), and plays at 2015 level or better, he's losing out big time vs QO-UFA this summer. If he doesn't return to form (or worse, gets injured), he gets cut after the year is over and gets a much lower contract. So, if he going to sign a 2yr, and risk losing out on 2017 UFA money, then he wants next year fully-guaranteed against further injury.
     
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    Ever since the Faried farce when they hired a couple of CBA experts they aren't close to bottom 5. If they were the league would be in a nice place that a FO who doesn't give away contracts that are candidates for amnesty or stretch and has one of the best international scouting departments was at the near bottom.
    Unfortunately the likes of Orlando, Wizards, NOP, Kings, Knicks and Lakers have them beat by far.
     
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  18. larsv8

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    I think Morey would rather just decline and tell Dmo, sorry it didn't work out, we will try restricted free agency again next offseason.

    Not having DMO for the rest of the season is not going to change our season in any material way.

    Having rights to Dmo at a low cap hit, next offseason is more valuable.

    As I said earlier in this thread, Dmo really ****ed himself in all this.
     
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    Seems like too smart of a deal for BJ to conjure up. All evidence I've seen thus far points to utter incompetence & negligence with his valued client. But I def. wouldn't be surprised though if the one year contract comes back into play.
     
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  20. heypartner

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    And this is the cold-blooded Morey/Scareface threat of the "deadline."

    "Take it, or I will refuse to sign you this year and RFA your ass again this summer. If for nothing else, to make a point to all future RFAs, not to f^^ck with me."
    The bluff in that statement is I'm pretty sure it will piss off Coach, who clearly wants DMo in the lockerroom now. He will have to explain to MDA and Les why he failed to sign DMo. This isn't a fantasy-league game. He will have to explain himself, and cap-flexibility reasons is not going to win over Basketball Reasons.

    Then again, maybe Les is the one who placed a dollar limit on DMo and Morey is just following orders.
     

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