Heypartner is going solo on that one. If anything, I would say it was 99% confirmed that there are two timelines. Not debunked. And I like. Either way, think we'll know by the end of the season as we are nearing what would be the big fight and transition of William as well as Delores.
A few thoughts... I re-watched the scene where Bernard first goes to the cabin and the interior door is never shown; in other words, he "ignored" it. This explains why Ford seemingly appeared out of nowhere. Expanding on something @PhiSlammaJamma mentioned previously, Ford's use of the term "blood sacrifice" after the Board lady used it with the Operations woman implies that ALL the hosts communicate with each other and Ford is privy to their transmissions. Unless of course the male sex bot is 1st generation or the room was bugged. Finally, I thought maybe that Bernard would eventually go off-track and attack Ford for forcing him to be violent, but it seems that the only hosts that behave in such a way were created by Arnold. And of course, we learned that Arnold was before Bernard's time.
But Bernard is Arnold. Arnold J Bernard, the greatestest architect of robot making. The greatest M. Night Shamalama twist.
He's in front of both logos in that article you provided . See 4th picture down. Article says it was in HBO GO. However, I can't find that shot in HBO Now...seems to have been cut out. I understand, but when they are in the same loop it can connect dots. Delores has been in a single William loop since Episode 3. That's what I've noticed. And the start of it connects her to proven present things/characters/events while in her loop with William. Spoiler: Episode 3 is the key From ep03, the Wyatt backstory is implanted into Teddy in the present. Delores' daily loop contains Teddy's Wyatt loop, connecting her to the present The same loop Teddy tries to teach Delores to shoot That same loop is when Delores first does shoot, which she continues to do But she can't shoot until she had a vision of MiB, connecting her to the present So, she is in Teddy's Wyatt loop, while also finishing her loop with a vision of MiB when she finally shoots a raper, then immediately rides away on horse to stumble upon William in his camp, where she collapses from the stress. And she's been continuing the loop of being able to shoot a gun ever since. So, in one loop that still continues for her, it connect Delores to the present via Teddy's Wyatt loop; connects her to MiB in a memory flashback from reverie code and ends with her escaping on horse to find William's camp, all while knowing how to shoot. It is quite a stretch to argue against that entire episode being in the present. She's been in this same loop with William ever since. Spoiler: Ford Interview with Delores about Arnold fwiw: This interview takes place immediately after Delores faints in her William story. Ford interviews her about Arnold. She says the last thing he told her was she was going to "help him destroy this place." Ford says, "but you didn't, did you. You've been content in your little loop for the most part." If she's in the past with William, then Ford says she didn't do anything. So, what would that 20yr old timeline be about? Seems his wondering what she might be up to now. And when he leaves the interview, she ends the scene talking to no one, "He doesn't know. I didn't tell him anything." I'll need some help believing she's talking about past events vs what's she's up to now. So, those are two of several things that makes it "not a stretch" to say Delores is in the present with William.
There could be two timelines...but confirmed? at 99% ... Can you give me an example? I mean, I could go on. Spoiler Twice we've had Delores pulled out of her loop with William to talk to Bernie and Ford in the obvious present. Both scenes segued directly into her scene with William. Hosts connected to the present are hearing voices in the present, so is Delores in scenes with William. Has Arnold been talking to her for 20 years? Exactly how long in the past is William? Looks like he's 20-30 years younger than MiB. But the host they use for Clementine is not that old. Bernie in the last episode explains that the "ability to deviate from programmed behavior arises out of the recall of past iterations." a connection between memory and improvisation. "after countless repetitions [of loops] hosts were varying ... are on the verge of change." That screams that it is just now taking place in the present. Then why is Delores 20yrs in the past important? Doesn't really seem necessary to the plot since the change is happening now. In fact, a lot of people say the line " These violent delights have violent ends" that Delores' daddy told her then she told Maeve is a trigger. Well, that line by Daddy is connected to the present via his interview with Ford as well as the Picture he found on the ground which he was holding when he told Delores that line and which Security took off of him to investigate -- in the present. 99% confirmed?
Let's not underestimate William's fiancee' either as Delores is going to rage at her, or vice versa. There's a love triangle here that nobody is talking about.
I'm a skeptic of the two timeline theory and I've been waiting to see it disproved and I haven't seen it disproved. I need to rewatch episode 3, however, in light of HP post.
Maybe watch the episode, then read my further take on ep03. Don't want to lead your opinion. I'm just legitimately wishing I could talk about the show in a highly probably plotline (certainly one we are led to believe by the writers), without having to discuss a less-likely, dual timeline theory....which I also see as a weak plot, if it comes true. I just love this plot of reverie code clicking on a switch in the hosts' minds. But can't talk about it, because dual timeliners have to insist Delores is being shown 20yrs ago.... Spoiler: more on my take of Ep03 ... not a spoiler During the run up the hill to her house, which is being attacked again, notice she has a reverie flashback to see both her dads. And after killing the raper in the barn, where she had a reverie flashback to see MiB, she then has another flashback that she got shot by the guy on the porch... so she turns to run away this time. Probably the very first time she ran away from her family getting murdered to save herself. Then gets on the horse that leads her to William. I'm not the only one viewing that episode as great and fun to watch for the plot line that the reverie code is changing delores in front of our eyes. I love that story. I wasn't even trying to debunk anything. I just don't understand a different way of viewing that episode. I guess dual timeline ppl view those flashbacks as elaborately deceptive editing by the director to show that entire scene has two identical ones (but 20yrs apart) quickly spliced back-to-back to appear as one timeline to fool the viewers. I don't know of any movie that has used quickly spliced deception like that....Momentive surely didn't. I call that a stretch of the imagination. Oh, and lastly, why did she learn how to shoot 20yrs ago, then stopped doing it forever. Why is the Host Greeter for William still be used in the visual Ads 20yrs later. Why do we see the Host Greeter for William as a host in a loop in one of Ford's flashback...holding the umbrella. She had two jobs back then?? That's something I just learned from reddit ppl who don't buy the dual timeline. It's the same actress, and even had a credit for it.
You are being silly, no one is insisting anything, just pointing out a possibility. You are creating a conflict, when there isn't one. You can talk about whatever you want.
So it's not a stretch for me to talk about Delores in the present. Or is it just conflict of me to do so? If I wanted a conflict, I would have been saying this since Ep 3, but chose to just read everyone's takes instead
No direct link to William and MiB to be in the same time frame but there are characters that link them into the same time frame. The sequence that HP points out in his last spoiler should kill the idea unless you believe in the deception perspective. I'm going to move on believing they are in the same time frame.
Now there are 2 of them. Pretty sure Heypartner killed K mf G and replaced him with a bot poster. I mean look at that avatar and tell me differently.
I could buy into the theory that Bernard is Arnold, it's interesting enough to make good plot, and it's puts the two in close proximity for story. The evidence appears sound and reasonable. However, I don't think it binds into the theme of WestWorld, which is that you can become whatever you want to become, So my question would be why would Arnold want to be Bernard as it's essentially the same position in life he had before, but with less freedom, and now Ford can tell him what to do like kill someone. So nothing changed for him. You could theorize it wasn't his choice to be Bernard, but Ford seems to indicate his death was his choice, so I would need to answer the question of WHY. what does Arnold get out of that from a personal standpoint? He would lose more than he gains.
