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[TV] Westworld on HBO

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tehG l i d e, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    I agree but I am just trying to fit in :(
     
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  2. Svpernaut

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    Generally IMDB is updated by the representatives of the actors, or the actors themselves. IMDB updates are crowd-sourced, like Wikipedia. The fact that an odd number was entered, leads me to believe that it is accurate.

    This is the logical route. If I don't happen to catch a show, I ignore the internet until I do.
     
  3. heypartner

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    I don't find it to be accurate much at all wrt current and upcoming seasons. It was not only way off with The Night Of, but also Stranger Things.

    btw: If you think it is accurate, please make a special Spoiler for it saying THIS IS A REAL SPOILER, vs just chatter about episodes we've seen....just enter it as the Spoiler title Or should I just never click your spoilers anymore...and ignore you GRENDAL and others who apparently overuse them...for altruistic reasons, but confusing to me, and mixed reasons.
     
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    I agree that spoilers are not needs for episode chatter. But spoilers can be real things. The internet has some real spoilers about upcoming episodes, what actors are doing, leaks of real plots.

    Svpernaut just posted a possible spoiler from IMDB saying how many episodes a major actor is in ... which could signal their death. You certainly do not want to be posting # of episodes for actors in GoT, TWD and SOA...shows where ppl die regularly.
     
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  5. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Sorry if I started the spoiler tags, didn't want someone to read about the twist that might watch the day after.

    Anyways, I will be re-watching the first ones to see how well they crafted Bernard is a host hints. Off the top of my head, I can recall him reviewing the reverie code in the first episode and saying that he doesn't see anything wrong.
     
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  6. GRENDEL

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    I'll admit, I use the spoilers simply to avoid anyone reading a big reveal even if the episode has already aired. People seem to wander into threads for shows even if they haven't seen the most recent episode.

    Most of the stuff I spoiler is theories, I'll list them as such going forward.......
     
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  7. mrm32

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    What if Ford is actually an early host that Arnold lost control of?
     
  8. heypartner

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    np. Doing spoilers for ppl careless enough to check the last pages who aren't current means, imo, you are watering down the purpose of the tag. Ppl current have to decide...do I click it or not. It only takes one REAL spoiler in a spoiler tag for me to never click any of them...thus I have to ignore all your posts....which I don't want to do.

    Plus, Westworld (and most all shows) doesn't have the same problem as TWD and GoT. TWD and GoT threads are littered with "fan theories" based on a lot of info not in the show. That's a touchy subject. In most shows, fan theories are based only upon what everyone knows from the show. Post away, imo. You'll know a Real spoiler if/when you encounter one to share...like "ep10 plot just leaked on the internet"
     
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    Begs the question if Bernard was actually a real person at some point who has already been "Theresa'ed".
     
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    The Entertainment Weekly recap noted that the schematic for the Bernard bot didn't show the name like the shots of the others. He could have been someone, perhaps even Ford's old partner.....
     
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    I'd say plausible at this point. Even though Arnold seems like a pacifist, when Teddy describes the man in the middle of the maze, he described a man that destroyed all of his oppressors and now is a pacifist. If that is a description of Arnold, it's entirely possible that Arnold created Ford to do some dirty work too, or like u said, he lost control of one or more of them.

    Think it's also plausible that Teddy is the center of the maze and could possibly be Arnold. As he had a shitload to say about the maze when asked. And basically described himself when talking about the man in the middle as a man who dies over and over and over again. but u'd think the MIB would have figured that out, so it's low end on my radar.
     
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    Can hosts age? Surely many people have witnessed Ford aging...including the MiB. I think it is quite a stretch to say Ford is a host, not to mention a weak story that I wouldn't like.

    It's like the multi-timeline story. That was debunked awhile ago, imso....like episode 3. All timelines are current with the introduction of the Reverie code. It would take something extraordinary like actual Time-Travel (somewhat like Terminator but more like Ford/Bernie activate host code in the past via current actions) for Delores to be both in the past by 20yrs and displaying obvious Reverie-code abnormal behavior. The whole show is investigating how the Reverie code started changing many of the hosts -- and that's Delores's main story as well as Mauve.

    I'm so convinced everyone is current to the introduction of Reverie code that I'm not really interested in talking about it. Plus, I wouldn't like a story about Delores being 20yrs behind, anyhow. I think it makes for a bad TV show....much better possibilities out there.
     
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    Was the multi timeline story debunked? I don't think it was.
     
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    I can debunk it via clips starting in ep03. Everyone is in the same timeline of the introduction of the Reverie Code. Everyone can be tied to Reverie Code or tied to someone experiencing Reverie Code misbehavior. Or in the case of MiB, he's in the current, because he met Ford.

    It's that simple.
     
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    Eh, that is a stretch.This assumes the Reverie Code was a unique event.

    It could very well be what caused the crisis 30 years ago.
     
  16. heypartner

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    This is why I haven't wanted to discuss it over the past 5 eps...and will probably stop after this post. The attraction to huge plot twist or reveals is so strong (especially given the writers) the believers put the burden of proof on those who don't see it. Sorry...don't see it...never have.

    Plus now that Bernie is a host, the multi-timeline would just be a bad story, imo. So many better plots.

    To answer your question, although I think you should be defending the Theory instead: Why would it be a stretch. ??? wow. The show says Reverie Code is a new update, and every management character is operating under that plot, plus MiB is definitely tied to present. It's pure speculation to say it isn't new. For instance, Delore's previous dad is in the same timeline as MiB, and many other Reverie Code malfunctions/the Sheriff. Clearly the new update caused a major event. Plus, Ford injected a new baskstory into Teddy (the villian Wyatt) and there are scenes with Delores in same timeline as Teddy doing the Wyatt backstory, then with William... thus in same timeline as MiB.

    There are even more ways to put Delores on one timeline.
    Hell, Delores is supposed to be 20yrs old, and the oldest Host still in service. Well, I guess the host created to act out the El Lazo/Lawrence loops is also 20yrs old. hmmm. That's a stretch. :p

    What you need to do is convince me how/why Reverie Code is active in the past, to say Delores is actually in two timelines. Then why Ford would shut down Delores from that code for so long. Some 20yr old experiment he just now wants to revisit? The story is so much better, imso, where Delores is recalling memories of the past through her new code...like the writers are telling us in all recent episodes.

    The multi-timeline Theory is not as good as the singular timeline plot.
     
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  17. Air Langhi

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    I think Bernard is Arnold or a copy of him.
     
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    Being not as good =/ debunked.

    So far, I have seen nothing that definitively places William / Logan in the same timeline as MIB and the current mgmt team as we know them. It makes no sense to draw cues from hosts, because hosts can be altered / re-written in a multitude of ways.

    The logo clues are the most convincing evidence of the multiple timelines:

    https://www.inverse.com/article/23301-westworld-two-timelines-logo
     
  19. heypartner

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    I'm just saying it would be a bad story. Not using that to debunk it. I've provided enough proof above for you to debunk. :p

    I'm not following that Logo thing. What are we supposed to be looking at/proving? William is in front of both logos. Are you saying William is in the past and the future looking exactly the same. So you think he's an android???

    And wouldn't that be a big stretch, anyhow, since theorists combing through shows at slow-mo looking for inconsistencies like Logos =/ theory proved. Those types of clues are as common as cyberx rumors....that never come true.
     
  20. larsv8

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    Not sure what you have provided that debunks anything. Anything host related does not provide much evidence, as they operate in loops and it is impossible to tell the circumstances of what / why they are doing things unless it is corroborated by interaction with a perceived human. We simply don't have enough information to make that determination, based on the reveries.

    I haven't seen William in front of a new logo, perhaps I missed it.

    The logo thing suggests William / Logan are in the past in an old version of the park, with an old logo, perhaps their story is the story of the malfunction.

    The new logo suggests that all the programmers / mgmt are in the present, and the company has updated its logo, perhaps when the board took over after the malfunction.

    I am not looking to prove a theory true, merely confirm that the multi timeline theory has not been debunked.
     

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