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[Stein] Rockets Latest DMo offer "multiyear starts at a fully guaranteed $7m in Yr 1"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Nov 4, 2016.

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  1. xiki

    xiki Member

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    Wouldn't it be nice if 'we' really had some insight into Rox' position and DMo's? Is it $? Health? Guaranteed years?

    Frankly, I expected nothing to occur during the extended roadie but - - after the team's return home, shirley. Unless - - there are other parts of the puzzle at play???

    For one, I want the gent back, w/back healthy and incorporated into the system - - on a 3 year deal. But, I know nada because there have to be moving parts beyond our perceived knowledge.
     
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    If you have to 'ask' the answer is plain not to see.
     
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  3. malakas

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    From our incredibly weak in depth frontcourt noone has been injured yet. Good luck banking on that to last for the whole season.
     
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  4. basketballholic

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    The most likely resolution to the DMo situation is a trade-and-sign.
     
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  5. heypartner

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    You mean we make a trade with Team X for something we want, and in exchange promise to not match their offer sheet on DMo.

    Pretty sure that's collusion, or simply getting around the CBA rule about no Sign-n-Trades are allowed during the season. CBA has a very general rule that the league can apply which states anything deemed as using a loop-hole to get around a rule can be blocked by the league.
     
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    If dmo leaves do we live up to Chandler Portions and called Dmo Donuts again?
     
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    Ur still trying ? Lol
     
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  8. heypartner

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    Yeah, when he's really desperate to be right and clinging to his last thread, he resorts to things that aren't allowed under the CBA. He'll claim the GMs can get away with it, regardless.

    A month ago or so, it had to be explained to him that SnTs are no longer allowed once the season begins. So he readjusted his big SnT news happening around Dec 15th to apparently be an illegal Trade-n-Sign now.
     
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  9. basketballholic

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    Yeah.........No.

    One of these:

    1. We make a trade with team S and then sign DMo.

    2. We make a trade with team X. THEN.....DMo signs an offer sheet that we don't match.

    3. We make a trade with team X. Then we renounce DMo.


    Hope that clears it up for you.
     
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    Bwhahaha Holic hijacks another thread. Typical.

    I will be glad when this Dmo's fiasco is over with. I can't believe a average role player at best is raising this much fuss.

    Sign the freaking deal and prove your worth. Good grief
     
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    Perhaps it can be blocked but how's gonna league prove it? Wouldn't they be/look stupid to block something just on the suspicion it might be a collusion?
     
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    It is illegal but I didn't see the NBA do anything about the Udrih case with the CHeat.
     
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    Thanks for pointing out how fans and bballholic always say, but how can they get caught

    It's not just collusion, it's illegally circumventing the CBA rule against SnT during the season. It's a double whammy with double the likelihood another team complains And note: if they found their to be quid pro quo collusion that can come with stiff penalties.

    A Trade and Sign breaks two CBA rules. Not just collusion

    Bottomline: I've seen BimaThug try to explain the catch-all rule in the NBA that states you can't do something to circumvent rules. It's futile, he gives up. There's no argument against ppl who say they won't get caught and how can league prove it. This isn't a court of law. League doesn't have to prove anything to apply the no circumventure rule
     
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    Explain. What were the details. I'm talking about an illegal Trade and Sign during the season. As well as possible collusion. Two rules broken.
     
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    The Heat actually most likely broke rules that cost every other NBA team real $. Last year they had Udrih "voluntarily" for no logical good reason any sane human would, give up $ on his own which made them NOT pay taxes to every other team. Then this year what a surprise they give him a contract..and then waive him and end up costing them nothing. Clear as day they broke the rule that says that you can't come to an agreement with a player with an understanding for future compensation. And they did it in an audacious manner unashamely. Not even trying to hide it by not waiving him.
    An illegal move that cost financialy most of the other teams who receive money from the taxpayers of the league.
     
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  16. heypartner

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    @malakas

    Thing about stories like that is they say nothing about stories we never hear.

    For instance, Team A can say to Team B, man we really were stupid not to do this SnT for DMo back when it was allowed before the season started. But I have an idea, let's just do it now anyway because bballholic needs something to believe in

    We will use his idea to do it as two separate deals and don't actually write it in one contract like is required. But Team B says, that's stupid. I'm not going to risk getting caught. And the illegal deal ends there. Or that whole conversation just pops up and is shot down internally by Team A.

    We will never hear stories like that, where GMs actively discuss not doing something, because it is illegal. We will only hear the once Every 5 years possible cheats, which ppl then use to say cheating is rampid so let's dream up illegal trades like Bballholic is doing, because so far nothing legal has come true yet
     
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  17. basketballholic

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    LOL. Nothing had to be explained. I've told you as soon as we agreed to a contract with Ryan Anderson that him and DMo were duplicative and it most likely meant DMo was gone.....either in a sign-and-trade or he would be signed and then traded later in the season. After the season started there was talk of trading Anderson when he became trade eligible instead. Yes, I did continue to say sign-and-trade. Yes I knew when the season started we could no longer actually sign and trade DMo. No, you didn't question me about it. You just chucked the CBA at me (after someone else pointed it out to you), which you know I've read many times including the actual document and not just Coon's Cliff's Notes version of it, instead of questioning what I meant when I posted.

    My post today was a hint. You didn't take it. Instead you doubled down on the CBA and collusion. I gave you three distinct possibilities.....that aren't collusion and would be considered collusion. You post more drivel. You don't know what you're talking about here.
     
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  18. malakas

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    That cheating wasn't an accident like Faried and Denver. It was preplanned and executed fearlessly without any regard for the league actually looking into it as they should have. Also some FOs (not us) don't have clear grasp of all the rules of the CBA as ridiculous as it sounds...judging from their moves.

    And btw...you say we only hear it only every 5 years. But in the last 3 I the casual fan with no connection and inside info just from the media know of 3 cases of teams doing illegal things. Two of them on purpose. But all 3 were quickly put under the rug with the best case some mild punishment in the case of the Holiday trade and conveniently forgotten. NBA journalists don't highlight such instances.
     
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  19. heypartner

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    So you are saying an illegal SnT in December is actively in discussion between Morey and another team, or is it more likely fans who just can't be wrong are inventing it, and saying anything is possible...yet trying to say they have sources that Morey is about to do something illegal...like he has a 10yr history of cheating, and this time it has leaked.
     
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    You mean like when the NBA blocked LAC from signing KG? They have already blocked teams from using loop holes.
     
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