A message from Jonathan Pie to the Left about who created Trump

Sad folks couldn't realize how pragmatic Clinton was but perception is key.

 

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There was a lot of truth in that. A lot. The left needs to improve the persuasiveness of their arguments, stop with the insults and name calling, and stop with the attempts to stifle debate. And Hillary was one of the worst candidates of all time. She was dishonest, corrupt, deceitful, manipulative, and tried to get away with an approach of "tell the public as little as possible -- they don't need to know". Now, I think the reason that the left attempts to stifle debate is because our great nation does not adhere to the value system put forth by the left. The left cannot win an honest debate, even when 90% of media coverage favors them and mocks the right. With a neutral media, Hillary loses by 10 points nationally.

It's time for the left to really examine their core belief systems and their approach to interacting with the rest of humanity.


GOOD DAY

 

tRUMP supporters need to listen to Don Adams (get smart).

Media hate stupidity.

tRUMP- stupidity.

Make sense.

Post Above- many words, not much said.

Less words- better.

The right- needs to elect smart candidates. Not support dumb candidates.

tRUMP- Dumb. Maybe hides intelligence under bushel basket. Lift basket- still not there.

 

Crosby, Stills & Nash

Peter, Paul & Mary

Beavis, Butthead & tRUMP

Cartoon President- not very good.

 

Jonathan Pie.

What a stupid name.

Wasn't there some other youtuber recently posted here with a name like Johnny Cakes or something? Is that a thing, for youtubers to have some lame screen name?

 

Very well said by him. I kinda saw this election result coming because she really did offer no solutions besides not being Trump. Her campaign was the worst I have ever seen in my lifetime. This was supposed to be a slam dunk but instead of talking about what she can offer, all she (and her surrogates) did were insult the other side.

 

OK I ignored his name and actually watched it. Sounded pretty logical to me, much more so than liberals explaining this result as simply due to everyone in the US being a racist or sexist. That's such a lazy excuse and without any inward reflection it will only lead to more Trump-like results.

Certainly on this board, the "liberal dogpile" that @bigtexx speaks of is real (it is funny to see some liberals deny this, then the next day they'll ask why all the thoughtful conservative posters have disappeared). Maybe it's the same everywhere, and maybe that contributed to Trump beating Hillary.

I freely admit to not being the most politically aware, but I think the democratic voter base needs to ask themselves 1) How did we nominate a genuine neocon like Hillary, and 2) Why did we not see this Trump win coming?

I say this as someone who was on the "anyone but Trump" bandwagon and who literally put $4K on Hillary winning. So yes, I was taken by surprise too. Now I'm asking myself why that was. Were my news sources bad? Was my understanding of Trump voters mistaken? Should I have listened more and given more thought to opposing viewpoints? Or, I can not ask myself those questions, and just simply assert that people are so stupid and racist and awful, that I in all my wisdom and goodness just overestimated them.

 

The divisiveness is the fault of both sides. It so happens that this year Trump took advantage of it. In 4 years, it could easily swing the other way. Pretending otherwise is just blind partisanship.

There's too much hostility and focusing on how stupid or evil the other side is. Both sides need to recognize this underlying problem and work to fix it.

 

After Comeygate and Hillary doubled down on negative ads, it reminded me of Remainers hammering down on negativity and doom rather than a positive benefits.

 

Very good. But remember: Trump supporters weren't the only unfortunate victims of name calling. Hell, Trump made regular names into bad ones! "Mexican," "Muslim" . . .

Democrats didn't show up. Some were so far gone, they thought they might get free college! They didn't realize they might also get criminalized abortion in this election. We'll see how the feds want to treat legal mar1juana in the Trump administration.

 

If we had a negative vote, The Donald would not be president right now, and neither would Hillary. Instead, the Republican controlled house would be in charge of forming the executive branch leaders, and most posters here would have what they wanted - a reasonable president.

 

It amuses me when conservatives try and pretend they aren't the party of divisiness. Which party has gerrymandered a lot of the US based along racial lines in order to have the House on lock until the 2010 census...? The GOP.

I think many folks on the left thought as Trump as a tea party like candidate but he's not at all. The tea party certainly had the xenophobia but Trump cranked up the dial on the nationalism. I think his supporters at a basic level know they don't know what Trump actually stands for but most importantly he merely told them things that spoke to them.

 

It amuses me when conservatives try and pretend they aren't the party of divisiness. Which party has gerrymandered a lot of the US based along racial lines in order to have the House on lock until the 2010 census...? The GOP.

I think many folks on the left thought as Trump as a tea party like candidate but he's not at all. The tea party certainly had the xenophobia but Trump cranked up the dial on the nationalism. I think his supporters at a basic level know they don't know what Trump actually stands for but most importantly he merely told them things they spoke to them.

 

I don't usually agree with you but right now I do.

Trump didn't win because of people calling his supporters racist.

He won because no one turned up to vote and he was against a terrible candidate. No one liked either of them and Trump winning doesn't change the fact that most of the country doesn't like him.

 

This isn't the kind of thing those on the left want to hear. They'd prefer to just blame everything on "stupid white people" or "racism, sexism, and xenophobia" rather than taking some responsibility for nominating a terrible candidate and failing to make the case that doing things their was is for the best.

i very much agree with him that Trump is the consequence of those failures.

 

Well trust me, I know how that feels.

I'm still waiting for a conservative to actually speak on how the southern strategy has divided our country on race since Civil Rights and actually own up to it.

I guess it'll never happen...

 

LOL, there you are blaming racism again.....learn the lesson, it's not a winning argument, hell it's not even an argument it's merely demonizing those who disagree with you.

 

Once again, ignoring the southern strategy that literally set out to divide the country by race. 0 accountability.