Can anyone now deny a major wing of the GOP is racist?

Just let it go. Yes part of the GOP brand is about WASPs, but this election turned out to be a referendum on globalization and DC establishment. Yes, it's troubling that bigots and racists now feel validated but that doesn't mean they can't be crushed sooner than later.

 

Only trolls

 

Yes.

 

It's simply fear of the other.

 

Holy Jesus I want a Dei v. Glynch Thunderdome, with RocketLegend and Micheal Moore ready to tag in.

 

Dei will deny it as he just did, I'll just point down to my signature.

 

Yes, white nationalism- which is now the center of GOP dogma, can and must be defeated. Or else America is finished as a country. For real.

No, you can't dismiss it and pretend like it's just globalization or technological change or out of touch DNC.

The first thing is irreversible. Trump is not bringing back coal mining jobs or secretarial jobs or retail or whatever. They are gone and more of them will go, not due to China, but due to the semiconductors they built.


That might have given it a boost, but the core message of take our country back is that it's been taken....by others. who are either non-white or elites who like non-whites.

When GOP lost in 2012, there were 2 schools of thought on how to bounce back, one was: be less racist (to Hispanics, not blacks) on immigration and less ogreish in general (Jeb!). The second was be ultra mega super conservative, either libertarian or socially (Rand Paul/Ted Cruz).

It turns out there was a 3rd way....be openly racist, promise to give them back what is theirs. Combine that with a completely unserious clown act, which, in a way makes you kind of a blank slate for projection of hopes and dreams . and here we are.

The way forward for the rest of us, the unsilent, and electorally screwed, majority isn't going to be easy and it's going to require a lot of time effort and money on behalf of the powerless, and it's going to also require compromises.

But what cannot be compromised is that white nationalism is a cancer on the national soul. It's un-American, as I understand the term.

I don't know the way to defeat it, but I don't think all the folks who voted for it are unsalvageable . I do think the shame of it cannot and must not be erased or dismissed. Vigilance is required. This can't be the new normal and we can't let it be.

 

^^ I don't know why people are so quick to give Republicans credit for this win. This was a Democratic bedwetting far more than it was a Republican strategic coup. Most of them admit that readily, even. Trump isn't some genius who pulled racist Pepe frogs out of their basements and to the polls, Clinton just sucked a big fat turd.

 

If you want anyone to take you seriously at any point in the future, you're gonna have to stop trying to demonize people who simply hold different political beliefs than you do. I'm sure someone will say "But other people do it too!!!!!", and I don't disagree but I argue that no one should take them seriously either. Be better than this.

 

It wasn't a strategic coup- it was a mere accident that Trump and Bannon and the rest were, this time, right - being racist didn't disqualify you from winning and in fact it helped...this time.

But it's important more as a society to recognize THIS IS NOT OKAY even for 30-40% of people to believe it, even if their guy loses.

The other problem is that lots of would be mini trumps are going to be inspired by, and copy this formula. It's not going away, it wouldn't have gone away if Hillary had won. Again, it's not OK, and standing up for people who are singled out by/oppressed by this message and its thugs is what being a Democrat/progressive/whatever is all about

 

It's not the center and if you keep believing that then you'll keep losing elections.

Sure I can. Is part of the globalization issue immigration and competition from non-Americans, absolutely. However, Trump won over the rust belt/mid west completely because of globalization.

Of course Trump isn't bringing the "jobs" back in any meaningful way, but it's the hope that got people.

Everything is temporary. Populism is in vogue right now, but progressive populism can easily occur in 2018/2020 if the GOP falls short on their economic goals. As you said, the jobs aren't coming back in a meaningful way.

 

Blah blah blah blah!

 

Best political quote from a TV series, "If liberals are so smart, why do they lose all the f*cking time".

Why do smart people lose, because elections have a huge emotional aspect. Obama was a great speaker at the right time, just like Trump. The difference is that Trump had the right wing media machine pushing the Clinton hyperbole narrative for years while Trump had the advantage of just showing up and riding the populism wave.

I mean look at this section and see how many people have made the claim that "Hillary is the most corrupt politician to run for the White House". The GOP is so good at creating this false narrative that they just eat it up. Who actually believes these posters have researched every presidential candidate in American history and compared them to Hillary? Facts don't matter, it's the emotional narrative that does. I'm plumed tickled I absolutely owned some Trump supporters who made the claim the "Hillary was the most corrupt politician ever", now you don't hear that phrase.

However, I do agree that Clinton ran a campaign too traditionally. Trump being allowed to become president without releasing his tax records says a lot about Trump supporters, they don't care if he looks them in the eye and lies. I would have been ruthless if I was in charge of Clinton's campaign, democrats play too nice.

 

First, the scary ascent of the noxious alt-right and it's core essence of Trumpism really can't be denied. It's just a fact, all of Trump's lines, slogans and tactics rely on the concept of a personified, non white other.

This is temporary is what people said about National Socialism. And it was, it burned itself out completely in less than 10 years.....

Again, the alt right clowns are beatable, they're a bunch of dipshits from an Internet comment section or morons walking around in white sheets., and that gasbag Bannon ( chief of staff). They're not dangerous by themselves, just like Hitler and his gang were a bunch of losers until they were in the right place and time.

But it has to be recognized for what it is.

 

What Trump did successfully is to turn people off from wanting to come out and vote. I don't think that was intentional.

 

Whoever says Trump is racist is a straight up moron. You ****ing snowflakes need to step into the real world

 

@SamFisher sorry bro but i'm getting a kick out of how emotional and out of control you are right now. normally you are super cocky and arrogant but smart with great control of your ideas and points. but now damn... you're really flustered and scared aren't you. hey man, things are never as bad or good as they seem you know.

 

Define what racism is bro. I'm 100% sure that you and I would have different definitions of racism.I can say that Trump is racist because my definition is different than yours.

I have a wide ranging definition of racism, but to me Trump is someone who antagonizes and demonizes a groups of people based on their heritage, religion, or skin color. He is supportive of policies that harm people not because of what they did but a group that they belong to. By banning Muslim immigration you are harming a group of people not because they did something, but because they are Muslim. How is that not racist and discriminatory. You might say it was in the interest of national security, but you can vet Muslims and still let them in if they are harmless. Trump might have backed off of this position but someone who has the audacity to suggest it in the first place must be pretty racist.