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Astros to pursue Edwin Encarnacion

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rocketpower2, Nov 9, 2016.

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  1. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Looking over Encarnacion's splits, it's been 5 years since he's had a good April/May. He's been a dawg. So expect a super slow start and a big finish.
     
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    I'd rather give Reed another shot than trade for miggy. Especially if they want Bregman.
     
  3. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Miggy is still a monster. Probably top 3 hitter in baseball. He makes a lot, but you would have to give up a lot to get him.
     
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    Why? The chance of any of any player as good as miggy is less than .5%.
     
  5. Houstunna

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    Would be awesome to get either player.

    Hope it doesn't effect resigning our home-growns, but that's the chance you take I guess. Winning the Series would offset any negative future effect.
     
  6. Houstunna

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    Bregman producing 75% of Cabrera could be better considering money.

    I would rather sign Edwin and not worry about giving up anyone.
     
  7. Mr.Pringles

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    The terror this potentially would strike in about 95% of opposing pitchers

    RF Springer
    3B Bregman
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa
    1B Cabrera/Encarnacion
    LF Beltran
    DH Gurriel
    C Gattis
    CF Marisnick

    Castro, M Gonzalez, T Hernandez, Aoki

    AJ Reed is an obvious piece heading to Detroit. Tony Kemp is the fourth player of the deal. From there probably two players ranked 6-12th should be enough if the Astros take all the money.
     
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    They're not trading Bregman for anyone so it's not like those are mutually exclusive.
     
  9. J.R.

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    Astros trade for Miguel Cabrera extremely unlikely

    SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. --- Despite a report suggesting the Astros will pursue future Hall of Famer Miguel Cabrera in a trade with the Detroit Tigers, all indications are such a deal is extremely unlikely.

    Cabrera, 33, is guaranteed $212 million over the next seven seasons. The Astros under Jim Crane's ownership group have not spent more than $47.5 million on a single player (Yulieski Gurriel).

    That's not to even mention the bevy of talented young players a team would have to surrender to acquire a player the caliber of Cabrera, a two-time MVP and 11-time All-Star, who would also have to approve any trade.

    The Astros are of course in the market for a first baseman and have a connection to Cabrera in that he and Jose Altuve are friends who each grew up in the town of Maracay, Venezuela.

    But that doesn't change the most pertinent factors – that the remainder of Cabrera's contract is more than four times greater than the largest contract doled out by the current Astros' regime and that the front office is reluctant to dismantle its core to improve other areas of the team.

    The report emanated in the form of a tweet Wednesday morning from MLB Network's Jon Morosi, who had interviewed Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow on television Tuesday at MLB's GM meetings.

    "I was asked, 'Would we consider a trade for a Hall of Fame-caliber first baseman', and we're considering everything. I think the media kind of ran with that," Luhnow told the Chronicle on Wednesday.

    "Whoever started that rumor, it wasn't us. I can't comment specifically on any deals that we're talking to other clubs about. I will tell you though we're talking to teams about lots of different scenarios, and some of them are notable players that would really impact our club. Whether or not any of those conversations have a chance of getting over the finish line remains to be seen.

    "Players that have a lot of service time and have a lot of hardware usually don't move that easily and it takes a while to get those deals done. But my broader point is we're open to a lot of different things this year that we weren't necessarily open to in the past.

    "We have the resources financially and player wise to put together something that's going to feel to our fans maybe bigger than the things we've done the last few years. And we're not ruling anything out if we think it can improve our club."

     
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    abreu and sale for bregman and springer with prospect fillers would you pull trigger? Think CWS looking to rebuild imo
     
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    That would leave our outfield as Aoki, Marisnick, and Hernandez? Yikes
     
  12. No Worries

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    13 position is one more than the last two years (if not more).

    If Beltran comes, Aoki goes.

    T Hernandez starts over Marisnick.

    There will be a bidding war for Castro, as crazy as that sounds. No way the Astros outbid the rest of the league and then make him C2.
     
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    Yikes, Cabrera could have a Pujols or Prince Fielder type decline. I wouldn't touch that contract. If the Astros want to spend crazy money, would rather see them deal for an ace, like Greinke.
     
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    Or go for Cespedes, Beltran/Encarnacion, and a SP all for same money maybe a little more.
     
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    Uhh... Pujols is averaging 33 HRs, 106 RBI, 49BB/73SO, .261/.318/.468 with a OPS+ of 119 over his past three seasons of age 34-36. Sure, they aren't his numbers of old, but I would take that in a heartbeat over what we currently have at first base. While I do not think this trade would happen, those numbers would be huge for this lineup at first base. Pujols may not be what he was 5 years ago, but he is still putting up great stats.
     
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    You would, but not for nearly $30M/season. Albert's big problem is that he just doesn't take walks anymore. Walks aren't as big a part of Miggy's game as they were for Pujols (though you wouldn't expect that to drop off like it did for Pujols anyway).
     
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    Fair. I think in a vacuum, it is not worth the money, but considering the hole at first base, the consistency of Cabrera over his career, and the fact we do have such a small payroll right now, I don't see why we couldn't work around acquiring him. I think the Tigers would inevitably eat some of his contract if traded, and I am curious if the Astros could restructure the deal to front load the first two years to help the back end (asking out of curiosity because I do not know if current contracts can be restructured like that).

    All this to say that I agree that Cabrera is overpaid, but I think he would play a critical role into pushing the Astros lineup into a perennial playoff contender and being a ToR guy away from being pat.
     
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    All the folks in the Astros front office (marketing and baseball side) that I have asked about the Miguel Cabrera rumors all tell me that they haven't heard any internal discussion about a trade for Cabrera. They all say the Astros will try to add at least one elite/near elite bat through free agency or trade (not involving elite prospects) and hopefully a secondary short term rental that is a good bat as well. Interesting names they discussed were Ryan Braun and Matt Holiday.
     
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  20. houstonstime

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    I would imagine the short term rental would be Beltran maybe?
     
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