Saying people voted for Trump because he was racist is simple minded and just plain moronic. People were fed up with the establishment. A bunch of counties in the rust belt that heavily favored Obama flipped to Trump. You lost because your party rigged the primary for the worst possible candidate. Admit it.
Why? because you said so? The empirical evidence is pretty overwhelming. He appealed only to whites, by being the most explicitly racist candidate. See below http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13571676/trump-win-racism-power
She could not get 50% of the white woman vote Lost like 30something % of the hispanic Vote and She lost Michigan cause she didn't bother to even go there . . . . . She lost it to Bernie . .. but does not go there?? Rocket River
You (and this nonfactual, irresponsible, inflammatory, disrespectful, article) are suggesting that 50+ million whites that voted for Trump are racists? Give me a freaking break. You lost get over it. If you paint millions of folks with a dirty disgusting broad brush then you're no different than Trump calling out Mexican or Muslim immigrants. It's the exact same thing which means you (Vox) and Trump have more in common then you would ever admit.
Stop talking about Trump and start talking Hillary. How did she do worse in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Rust Belt, compared to Obama? Obama won the blue collar whites, but Hillary couldn't?
She didn't even go to Michigan. (Which she lost to bernie in the primaries) I was shocked to hear this! Did she even address DAPL or Flint Water Crisis? Her and husband are personally responsible for many black folx being in prison with their disasterous 1994 Crime Bill She tried to hush and dismiss the BLM groups after that rather than simply saying she sorry and will do better. Often! She simply did not excite the base Rocket River
^So basically, when we cite empirical evidence of Trump and his racist appeal, we are almost as bad as....racist xenophobic guys like Trump. Got it.
Say it with me now. Hillary. Clinton. was. a. bad. candidate. Trump didn't ride a wave of populist anger or white/male resentment into the White House. He rode in on a wave of Clinton inspired apathy. I don't know how long it is going to take people to figure out that you will never win an election by voting "against" someone else and not *for* your candidate.
Sure, I mean she lost the EV - by definition, that's not good. At all the traditional campaigning things she wasn't too bad and some she was downright good (convention, debates). Of course, the traditional stuff doesn't really matter as much anymore in this age. But on results you're right. I'm hard pressed though to think who we had that was gonna do better? Martin O'Malley? Bernie? When the black vote is down (and the black vote is better positioned due to the embarrassment that is the electoral college) it's just going to be a tough road. Trump wasn't a great candidate either - but I (and most figured) "yeah but he's a creepy racist buffoon, so that will cost him" - unfortunately, it didn't cost him - it helped him. And that is the most depressing scary awful thing there is.
Funny how so many republicans here didn't vote for him. Yet he was elected by the vast majority of republican voters, and had a record number or republican votes in the primaries. Think about that. I know, you are just embarrassed by him as Democrats. But at some point you will have to own responsibility for your vote. Because elections have consequences.
I just posted this in another thread - but I think we ALL misread Obama's platform of change in '08 as a rebuke of the Bush Republicans; in hindsight, I think it was the beginning of a movement we saw come fully to life this year with Sanders and Trump: people wanted to break Washington into a million pieces and they did not care who that agent of chaos was. It steamrolled (another) Bush in the primaries and blindsided Clinton in the national election. That's not the ONLY issue; there are a million more viable ones - but that's what caught me. We should have taken '08 as a sign and sent the Clintons on their way. I just don't foresee establishment being en vogue in the near-term.
@SamFisher , listen to yourself. your delusion and disappointment cannot be so high that you actually think close to half of the country are white racists bigots. If that's true why would you still live here? Me personally (hispanic, wife white, kids 50/50), if I thought half of my neighbor hood "hated" me I would move. Guess what, in my neighborhood almost all are white and very pleasant folks. Many of them voted (we live in TX suburbs LOL) for Trump too. The final point using your own info, the rust belt won it for Trump but WHY?!?! The economy and jobs. Most don't care about the social issues and almost all of them are not racists. Calling people racist is a form of marginalization, discrimination, and persecution.
I agree with you. Maybe Bernie, if, indeed, the American people are sending us a message that the establishment will no longer be tolerated. If so, Warren obviously would have been part of that movement. But looking at the red spilled all over the middle of the country, I just can't see a northeatern socialist Jew playing to the flyover states. Warren, similarly, might be seen as east coast elite. May I officially kick-off the 2020 election season by suggesting a candidate? This is rooted in the idea of breaking the current system and looking outside of it: Van Jones. I think he's going to be a rising figure on the political landscape these next four years, making his hay by dogging the Trump administration. He's extremely smart, well-respected, a socially-minded fighter for the underrepresented who can articulate that support humanly, emotionally. And he has no baggage (that I know of) and outsider status. I'm calling it right now - THAT's the guy the Democrats ought to be grooming for 2020.
Except there's really very little crossover between these movements. You'll find a few Obama -.>> Trump voters in certain regions, but their impact is distorted by the horrendous nature of the electoral college. The fact is the overwhelming majority of Trump voters were the same folks who backed less racist, buffoonish, authoritarian Republicans in the past. Hell look at Utah - Evan McMullin? Nope, all of that talk about Mormons not able to accept a spiteful bigot like Trump was just talk. Most of them did. Maybe some of them even liked it.
Obama - McCain 2008 69,498,516 - 59,948,323 Obama - Romney 2012 65,915,795 - 60,933,504 Clinton - Trump 2016 59,299,381 - 59,135,740 NPR had a spot on this morning about a protest outside of Trump's DC hotel. A millennial told the reporter than he did not vote, was upset that Trump won and was protesting (his apparent stupidity).
Obama and Trump? Obviously, there's no political/ideology crossover - but both of their roots are outside a system we know the American people, collectively, regardless of party, think is broken. In 2008, Obama awakened the Democratic party as an agent of change, and they turned out. In 2016, Hillary was not only not an agent of change, she was exactly what they had rejected eight years earlier. The Democrats regressed while the Republicans, by mere accident, fell into the next wave of it.
My thinking now is that you almost have to nominate a minority candidate. Hispanic is the long-term hope but 2020 may still hinge on black voters. HIllary wasn't black, but she lost because she was lumped in with "them" - the brown and black and yellow and globalized other. She wasn't black so she couldn't rally the base as well. The obstacles to this - you are going to see a dramatic rise in voter suppression to maintain control of the white authoritarian Leader. And the suppressors are going to be in charge. This is America in 2017.
Is that the best meltdown you've got? How disappointing, although right in line with Hilary calling Trumps supporters "deplorables". I really am regretting not taking you up on your loser-leave-town match. Shame on me, and I apologize to the BBS for my lack of foresight.
We also can't ignore the destruction her husband wrought with three strikes you're out and mandatory sentencing during his presidency; after nominating Obama, falling back to Clinton was just... all hindsight but they just picked the wrong candidate at the wrong time, I think. African Americans had turned on the Clintons and they wrongly guessed they would support her as an extension of Obama and that was miscalculated. I think her resume is beyond reproach; I voted her with clear purpose. But...
