Trump, the Fools that Voted for Him, and the Fools that Stayed Home

I think the fools in this election proved to be Democrats.

1. Picking Hillary was not a good decision. If the primary wasn't a coronation, a better candidate might have won. Look at the Republican side: Primary voters responded to a solid field that included Jeb Bush by rejecting Jeb Bush.
2. There are real people who exist out of the closed-minded bubble that many liberal intellectuals live in, and you can't just write them off as "racist, sexist, homophobic, deplorable, bigots." As someone who probably falls under the conservative intellectual category, I had to learn this lesson as well.
3. The media bubble that relentlessly portrayed Hillary as inevitable and the arrogance of her campaign led to blind spots in the Midwest. Don't blame Comey for the email scandal. If Hillary owns up to it and apologizes from the beginning, it never would have been an issue. The American people tolerate mistakes quite well, but they don't tolerate corruption.

 

That is not the socialism that the like of Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine "This liberal will be all about socializing, uh err" Waters.

I have not problem with community development and making education tools available.

However, like you say. Public schools are socialism. That is why I would love for Texas to go vouchers. Let schools compete for our tax dollars and let me choose where I send my child. Why should I have to pay tuition to public schools and if I want to send my child to a school that shares my values pay tuition there? By not allowing vouchers you are essentially taking away my choice / reducing my freedoms.

 

Curious, what kind of socialism do you think Bernie was running on?

 

I don't want to undermine the uphill climb that you talk about with these below poverty white voters. The 40% isn't these people I'm getting at. I'm looking at the data now, and in most states its 8 to 10% of whites under the poverty line. I'm assuming the other 10 to 15% of whites in America are the wealthy non-middle class. I'm speaking... again... to the 40% of middle class white voters who really were the ones that swung this election. It was the portion of them that are the ones that KellyAnne & co. were talking about as the "silent vote" or whatever.

This 40% feel like they are in the 10% that I previously noted, but really in reality their American experience is more privileged than they think. I personally don't think they even know what they are angry about, but they just know they are angry at something with the government. It's the people that I know too well on FB that have stooped low enough to post fact-free crap from Brietbart & InfoWars & they think its their reality.

Breitbart & Info Wars aren't the only thing to blame here though. It's also coming from what really has become religious propaganda seeding fear of immigrants that Trump seized on with the 40%. If you polled the 40% and asked them if they though given the chance, a Muslim would kill you for your beliefs, you'd be shocked to see the results.

This group thinks they are just as disenfranchised as African Americans now. While poor is poor with the 10%, I agree they shouldn't be mocked for just being idiots. Its the middle class that is the real issue that led to Donald Trump, and yes I think they are wrong for feeling that their American experience is worth us feeling sorry for. These folks are not victims that we SHOULD hold to a higher standard since they are still the majority of the United States of America and they still hold the most voting power.

 

His first two income and wealth ideas are bad enough. Min wage up to 15 an hour?? Tax corporations more and more? If I own a company and have a low skill job that workers are willing to work for at $8 or $9 and hour and then forced to go to $15. I am laying off some workers. How is that helpful?

Free college tuition.. Who is going to pay for that? Me the taxpayer. I'll pay for my kid. I don't want to pay for yours.

Single payer healthcare. Medicare for all. How is that government run VA working out.

 

Well how are things working out now? The wealth gap continues to grow. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer, the poor are still waiting for the jobs and trickle down...it never happens. Most of Bernie's plan was going to tax the extremely rich, I doubt you would have been affected by it. A lot of these people pay less taxes than the poor. I don't understand how bankrupting the poor is helping out here. There was once a time where a man could provide for his family on an everyday job, that's just not possible any more. We are seeing less families, less marriages because people just can't afford it.

Yes tax corporations more, they are barely paying their fare share. This is in part what Trump ran on. It was the only thing that he had in common with Sanders was that the system is corrupt and that the rich are getting away with it.

 

They pay less from a percentage stand point. Not from a volume standpoint.

Let me ask you. Are you college educated? If so what was your GPA, if you are willing to share.

 

I agree. So does Thomas Frank.

 

I'm not willing to share at all and I've never asked that of another poster, I just argue the post and the issue in the post. Maybe I'll tell you if you reveal why it's relevant to the discussion. I don't see how it is though personally.

 

No problem. After I posted I realized this is a public forum and asking for that information was not appropriate. For that I apologize. The relevancy is this. Asking the rich to pay more in my opinion is similar to this. Say you and I go to the same school. You work your butt off, study, turn down invites to parties and the like. You earn a 3.9. Me. I screw off, barely work and toss the books aside to go to a party and flunk out with a 1.7. Now. In the spirit of socialism would you mind tossing me one of your points. We both graduate. You with a 2.9 and me with a 2.7? Does that sound fair? You do the work and I get the grade and you graduate with an unimpressive C? What is the difference between that and taxing the crap out of some wealthy guy and giving a baby momma that had 5 kids from 3 different fathers all sorts of government cheese due to her bad decisions?

Let me know when you will let me have that point so I can get off of scholastic suspension. I'll await your reply.

 

Yeah, like you said, racism had nothing to do with Trump supporters.

 

And what did I say that was racist? I believe you are making assumptions about my statement.

 

So is he really going to start building the wall and throwing Hillary in jail, or will he start jettisoning his campaign promises immediately?

Well, the buck stops in the Oval Office. Trump is the head of the "rigged system" now. Have fun, Donald.

 

Well unless Obama pardons her, you can bet that the new DOJ will pursue charges against Hillary. Her political protection just disappeared.

As to the wall, I see that the same way I saw Obama talking about Gitmo. The reality of the situation will prevent that from happening.

 

Get out of your echo chamber deckard. You're simply out of touch. Obama's sorry performance contributed to the rise of trump. ... and of course Hillary was a terrible candidate.

 

Over 6 million people disappeared that voted for Obama in 2012. Over 10 million from 2008. Hell, Trump got less votes than McCain and Romney and WON. People stayed home......voter suppression worked.

 

But see that isn't socialism. No one votes for the hard worker to get shafted, that isn't socialism. Socialism makes sure that the hard worker who went to public school and worked hard could get funded to go to college in the first place. That's the basis behind it when it comes to people. So no that isn't fair, but it's also not fair if the poor guy doesn't have money to go to school right? Some people's situations are such that they need a little help, they

Complete socialism is bad, yes. Complete anything is bad, there is no one ideology that has proved to be perfect. I'd agree to that. But socialism by definition isn't taking from the rich to give to the poor. It's about equalizing the playing field. Now Bernie ran on the robin hood thing sure that but so did many other candidates talk about how they were going to bust up banks and big money, it's a populist message.

 

LOL yeah, the voter suppression that was nominating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not anything else.

 

I find trickle down economics so fundamentally flawed, I can't believe anyone falls for it. If the wealthy are unwilling to part with their money to pay a fair share of taxes for the common good - why does anyone believe - if left to their own devices - that they'll take whatever money saved and do anything meaningful with it beyond shoving it deeper into their own pockets? I mean, the name itself... trickle down - they couldn't even hide their contempt by at least terming it... flooding down economics... no, no - it's a trickle down - small, gentle little drips of money....

It's one of the biggest cons ever sold to the American people.

 

If the GOP suppressed over 6 million people there would be riots in the streets today. (I do know there were some at college campuses but students gonna student.)

Clinton sucked as a candidate, couldn't get the left of her party energized and paid for it. So if by voter suppression you mean Trump correctly played on the fact that people hate Clinton then yeah...it worked. It even fooled some of the bernie bros to vote against a lot of things they fight for.