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What's your personal biggest fear of Trump's presidency?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DudeWah, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. ArtV

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    His tax cuts mixed with his spending plan. There's a reason that he's filed bankruptcy so many times. Unfortunately we as a country can't just hit the reset button like that.

    Sorry kids...
     
  2. justtxyank

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    As a quick follow up on my post above, you are right that insurance companies have projected their profits for 2017 in the current ACA space, and with the exception of Memorial Hermann, none of the insurance companies project to make a profit on the individual plans. They are hoping that they will just manage to lose less than $500 million.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    I don't agree but even if I did, all you are doing is trying to justify him acting like a dictator.
     
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    I wish I could like this post about 20 times.
     
  5. durvasa

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    If you agreed with what I said, it wouldn't be a justification. I said both sides are responsible for not finding common ground.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    Thank you for your explanation here. I'll admit that I'm no insurance expert but what I do know is publicly traded businesses and how they operate from a cash flow & accounting perspective. And if anyone is making promises on the campaign trail of lowering costs in any industry where it is corporately run, it should be met with fair skepticism. My point was that if Obamacare was repealed after the companies had already built out their projections for the year, there is no way this year, next year, etc. that number just magically decreases for the consumer.
     
  7. rpr52121

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    1. Hate crimes/Overt racism against me or people I care about. (e.g., KKK has been legitimized again.)
    2. Increased and unchecked illegal surveillance against me because I'm brown. (racial profiling)
    3. A total cluster**** of the medical system because they will revoke Obamacare and not replace it with anything, making working in healthcare unbearable.
    4. Another Hurricane Katrina FEMA mishap.
    5. Throwing the Iran deal into the trash and not replace it with anything.
    6. Pissing off other countries and world leaders, a la W.
    7. Going to war with another country over stupid stuff or lies, a la W.
    8. Repeal of Roe v. Wade
    9. More tax cuts (because they always work) that result in skyrocketing deficit and debt that may actually be crippling a la Berlusconi in Italy.
    10. Trumps desire to return to the Gold Standard.
     
  8. snowconeman22

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    Medical care costs are the biggest monster facing us right now . I don't know if the ACA is good or bad . It could be that insurance rates would have risen more without the act than they did with it . People are just spending more and more on healthcare .

    Hopefully the dude has enough sense not to start any conflicts . But I do fear for trade and the economy if he can enact some of the policies he's been spouting .

    It will be interesting to see how much resistance he faces
     
  9. LonghornFan

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    The ACA didn't do a ton to help with controlling health care costs. The Democrats largely focused on expanding coverage over cost control. However, it didn't make things worse and health care spending growth has slowed since the ACA. It just didn't have the dramatic decline that some hoped for.

    I'll be curious how the Republicans deal with health care. They've never had to propose an alternative before. They've happily voted to repeal it knowing that it wouldn't go anywhere. There are plenty of popular provisions in the law and voting to kick people off of subsidized insurance plans off of the exchange isn't exactly an easy thing to do. The same goes for repealing medicaid expansion.

    It seems like ages ago but Republicans haven't had to actually govern in 10 years. It's been either Democratic or split control since then and they've been able to get away with gridlock as a legislative strategy. Those days are over so now the Republicans have to actually try and cobble legislation together. It'll be interesting to see how that goes.
     
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  11. justtxyank

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    And I'm telling you that you are worrying about the wrong thing. Rates up/down isn't the issue. Cancelling the plans is the issue. If Blue Cross has an out to cancel their plans in Texas without penalty in 2017 they could essentially clean up their books to the tune of potentially 100+million.

    I just hope that any effort to repeal/replace is done sensibly and with safeguards for a smooth transition.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    right and because both sides disagree he is going to skirt democracy and decree what he wants. that's what hes saying. Let me tell you what a non-dictator would do. He would explain to his constituents why his plan is correct and tell them to yell at their congressman to support it and vote them out if they dont. This is why we have elections every 2 years. So this exact scenario can take place. What a dictator does is threaten to issue an edict of what he wants. Obama tried the democratic approach with Obamacare (remember the fireside talks?) and failed. The plan stayed unpopular. He stopped trying it after that.
     
  13. robbie380

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    trade wars
    general chaos in the govt
    random pissing contests from trump
    no real plans that actually get things done
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    That's my most realistic rational fear. Losing rights is never a good thing. The biggest fear, is that others can bait him into confrontations or that he abandons allies and they get hurt. We know that Trump, like many bullies is big on talk and short on action. When he went to Mexico he couldn't discuss the one centerpiece of his campaign that focused on Mexico. When the Mexican leader brought it up, Trump caved and wouldn't even talk about it.

    But we also see that little things can set him off and send him to week long twitter attacks. I just hope with the added pressure and bigger stage that he can confine his reactions. Who knows? After seeing how many of his businesses were crap, how nobody would loan him money, how he defaulted on the one bank that would loan him money, how his dad had to bail him out and co-sign for him to even get loans over and over again, I'm not real sure how competent he will be.

    But on the bright side, he's lied so much that we don't know what he will actually do on the job. He could act completely rational.
     
  15. CCorn

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    I'm afraid he may black out one of my favorite shows when he airs his weekly "trump show" that all Americans will be required to watch.
     
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  17. TheRealist137

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    He might cause wars killing millions of people. His questionable temperament could lead to dire consequences.
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    I don't see much space to revisit gay marriage, honestly. Even with many conservative justices -- assuming he appoints good honest patriots -- I don't expect they'll see a reason to walk back what they ruled. Roe v. Wade, maybe, because states keep pushing the issue. Transgender rights probably won't advance. But, in general, I'm less afraid of a conservative SC than most liberals because Justices so far have been intelligent and honorable people, even if I don't agree with all of them.

    Obamacare is done, obviously. Won't folks be surprised, though, when medical costs continue to go up! It's an opportunity for Republicans, though, to finally stick out their necks on what a good alternative is. I think there will be some pressure to do something. At least this one doesn't directly impact me.

    I understand the concern about Trump's temper and wisdom on foreign wars, but I think I worry more that he won't fight wars he should fight than that he'll start wars he doesn't need to. Given his overtures to Russia, he may back off on Syria (which might be alright because our current strategy there wasn't working, imo) and may ease sanctions on Russia. He could withdraw support from Iraq and Afghanistan and cede them back to fundamentalists. He might not message strongly enough about support of NATO allies or Pacific allies and invite foreign aggression there. I can also see him taking a Cheney-like approach to fighting dirty where we do fight, using extraordinary rendition, torture, domestic espionage, and continuing/escalating Obama's use of drone assassinations. Globalized trade will take a hit, and therefore business and the economy, but I don't worry too much on that -- we've lived without globalization before. But, I see relationships with a lot of countries getting worse, and our ability to resolve problems with diplomacy will go down. Resentment of the US will increase, and probably terrorism with it.

    I think it's an environmental disaster. He'll gut the Clean Power Plan. He'll try to prop up coal. He'll take the cuffs off of E&P. That will put a lot of pressure on other economies to forsake decarbonization to compete on price in the short-term. We will likely continue to decarbonize, but the slope definitely decreased.

    I expect we'll get a clear immigration policy, but not one that really addresses the drivers, nor one that deals with the related injustices. On BLM, the DOJ will become less aggressive about pursuing cases of systemic racism (like the deal to clean up Ferguson's court system) and race relations will get worse as minorities get frustrated with the lack of progress or concern from mainstream America. The pressure on police departments in most states to reform just went way down, except whatever protesters can do.

    Republicans will have free reign starting next year. President, both houses of Congress, Supreme Court, a majority of state governorships, a majority of state legislatures. The top watchdog agencies like the EPA and the DOJ that would normally reign in the excesses of state governments will now withdraw from interference. Democrats dominate only municipal governments, which are being neutered by state governments today. I expect to see a lot of conservative policymaking now at all levels, with no effective checks to moderate them. I hope they appreciate how much responsibility is in their hands.
     
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    Hillary's biggest fear of Trump's presidency is finally getting indicted for all of the laws she broke while Secretary of State. Her only hope now is for Obama to pardon her on the way out.
     
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    That a stupid tweet (redundant, I know) will end up igniting WWIII.
     

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