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[Stein] Rockets Latest DMo offer "multiyear starts at a fully guaranteed $7m in Yr 1"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. don grahamleone

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    Do we always have to talk about DMo in a DMo latest contract thread?

    No. ParaSolid, no we don't, do we?
     
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  3. craguin

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    Year-over-year increases (or decreases) would be limited to 7.5% of 1st-year base salary and are not compounded.

    CBA FAQ #55:
    The raise limit also applies to salary decreases -- for example, since the Larry Bird exception limits raises to 7.5% of the first-year salary, the salary may also decrease by up to 7.5% of the first-year salary.

    CBA FAQ #56:
    Are raises compounded? In other words, is each raise a percentage of the previous year's salary?
    No. Raises are limited to a percentage of the base salary in the first season of the contract.


    A 3-year contract starting at $7M could be up to $22.575M, with $525K increases each year [ 7 + 7.525 + 8.05 ].

    Regarding non-guaranteed versus team option, the FAQ implies a team option can only apply to the final year.
    It probably would be NGs beyond the first year (see #64 below).

    CBA FAQ #59:
    There can be only one option year (except in the case of rookie scale contracts).

    CBA FAQ #64:
    A non-guaranteed season can be similar in function to a team option. Teams often prefer the additional flexibility provided by non-guaranteed salary -- the guarantee can change on a date of their choosing, they can guarantee partial amounts, and they can attach different conditions to the protection.

    Stein's article also mentions "attainable incentives that could take it to $8 million."


    CBA FAQ #74:
    Can incentives be built into a contract? How do they apply to team salary?
    There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance, academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. [...]
    • The rules for raises (and decreases) also apply to incentives. When salary increases or decreases are limited to 4.5% or 7.5%, then likely and unlikely bonuses may each increase or decrease by 4.5% or 7.5%, respectively.
     
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  4. jim1961

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    Yea, feeding your family on $4.4m is a tough situation.
     
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  5. CCity Zero

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    Much like all these threads, hahah. Looking forward to him either signing or going to euro ball so the forum can move on too.
     
  6. jim1961

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    Doesn't
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  7. SF3isBack!!

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    The Rockets need a rebounder if he doesnt want that deal then let him go.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    If he proves himself the Rockets won't want him to become a UFA after next year and will likely offer a renegotiated extension like they did with Harden.
     
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  9. Batman Jones

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    Right now he is. Dekker too. We don't even know if he can play yet.
     
  10. snowconeman22

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    7 mil doesn't sound bad at all . If they made the second year a mutual or player option Dmo would be a fool not to accept. Even if it locks him in long term at the team's discretion his salary still had to be fairly high for the remaining years . 7 mil guaranteed is nothing to scoff at , especially if the downside is he has to play at a "discount " of around 7 mil next year too .

    There isn't a team giving him long term guaranteed 10+ mil a year . If he wants that he has to play . We all know this . All the "trade leverage" in the world isn't going to change that .
     
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  11. heypartner

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    Renegotiations and Extensions can't be signed until after the 3rd year of a 4-5yr contract. Otherwise, I suppose, the "Prove Yourself" free agent signings with promise for restructuring would run rampant.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60
    60. Can existing contracts be extended?
    Contracts for fewer than four seasons may not be extended. Longer contracts can be extended under certain circumstances:

    Type of contract Can be extended
    Four, five or six1 seasons Three years after contract signed
    Extended contracts Three years after extension signed

    61. Can existing contracts be renegotiated?

    A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation​
     
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  12. snowconeman22

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    The biggest assumption so far is that he will be locked up for "mediocre money " since when is 7 million , or likely higher mediocre cash ? There are max raises and it also works with pay cuts . If the team exercises dmo's option he will likely be paid around 7-8 mil again . 15 mil over two years is a big risk for a guy coming off back surgery .

    If Dmo wanted to get big money next year , he should have take the QO . You can't have big money this year and freedom next year . The guys that get a 1 plus 1 are max players .
     
  13. Nivos

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    Get it done already!
    There should be a thread "Fire BJ"
     
  14. heypartner

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    You mean, "BJ Sucks" :D

    or something like ... oh, I don't know ... some swear Al Swearengen might say.

    BJ is a ********er
     
  15. roslolian

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    I'm really surprised the Rockets offered DMo 7M a year, and I'm even more surprised DMO didn't sign it. DMo's refusal to play for one season is really hurting his stock, teams have gone from thinking it was just a smokescreen to thinking maybe he really is injured and afraid what he signs now will be his last professional contract. Personally there's no way I'd offer more than the 4.4M qualifying offer unless I'm sure his medical reports check out, it's hard to imagine any other completely healthy professional athlete sitting out and missing actual games just to posture up, that's around 800k in real cash you're forfeiting with every missed game. And what's your alternative? Go to Europe? Man I dont even know if they pay that much more to superstars in Europe what with the financial crisis and all.

    Edit: Last year seems like the highest paid players in Europe made around 3.7M USD, way less than the offer DMo's getting now. Now I'm even more convinced DMo himself is scared about his long term health, it doesn't make any sense to threaten to leave the NBA for a salary half of what he's being offered:

    http://www.talkbasket.net/salaries
     
  16. bongman

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    If you can get paid $3 more doing the same job for a different company, won't you use that as a leverage to get a salary bump in your current position? It's not about the 4.4 rather what he thinks others are willing to pay for his skill set.
     
  17. roslolian

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    But nobody's willing to pay him more though if they were he would've gotten an offer by now.
     
  18. bongman

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    The point is he thinks he is worth more. I was responding to the notion of turning down 4.4 M as though this is a stupid thing when that value is just relative to the profession he is in.
     
  19. fattz

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    The Rockets have saved face by putting out the numbers. DMo and BJ look really silly now and the longer this takes the sillier they will look.

    We should pull this deal off the table at day's end (day light savings time not with standing). To much is just to much sometimes.

    Do not increase one more cent. Sign or go.

    The Rocket's front office have done their job.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    That will be up to DMo though, they may offer an extension but Dmo will have the choice to accept or test the UFA waters.

    That is why they are trying to get a 2 year deal instead of just 1....I think DMo blew it by not signing the QO.

    DD
     
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