What do you think the worst Hillary can do? What about Trump? It is pretty simple for me when you put it in that frame of reference.
If you really are on the fence think about this: if Hillary wins, she might have a Democratic senate but the house will still be controlled by Republicans, so there will be checks in place on her. On the other hand, if Trump wins, there is a much better chance that he will have a Republican house and a Republican senate and will have much more free reign than a Hillary presidency. If you think they are both terrible, then that is the best way to lean IMO.
It's simple, I just don't want that disgusting, ineloquent, anti-progress demagogue representing me to the world. He's like the stereotype of boorishness.
The tradition dates back to founding fathers. They could be equally as brutal though with a touch of eloquence, a rapier not a broadsword.
You always try to be objective, but with party candidates, there's always nagging doubt that you are being influenced by the party label. Trump as a candidate is very reassuring for me, in that I've thought of him as a mean, angry, narcissistic, clown since the late 1980s. My hatred of him is as pure as freshly driven snow. To me, he is pretty much the embodiment of everything bad about human beings with a couple of exceptions (I will generously assume he doesn't take pleasure in cruelty to animals, for instance). I wouldn't let Trump in my home. I surely won't be voting for him.
All in all, I want good scotus seats. ****.citizens.united Dollars as speech across state lines effectively ruins any concept or spirit of a functioning republic. If you're a states rights supporter, why would you want a Kansas douchebag family influencing your politicians decisions where you get no iota of benefit whatsoever? It makes the pork barrel wheeling and dealing look attractive...
Yes, in addition to Ottomaton's reasoning, I agree strongly with some of Louis CK's points (with less humor). He's particularly correct that one important role of a president is to take abuse, especially in the modern era. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MFOkBnYGfIM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> I'm pulling the lever for Clinton later today. My resolve in this vote has only gotten stronger over time. Even if I thought a good bit less of her than I do, the alternative is absolutely an existential threat to our country. Having researched some disturbing areas of historical politics in Europe, I am very leery of people saying "oh, well, if he was elected, he'd have to be reasonable and surround himself with competent people" etc. Lots of people have said similar things about this kind of demagogue before. Lots of people who were very sorry. Trump rates way too high on the Benito scale, and we have to learn from history.
I just posted this on my facebook page but am going to share this with y'all to to explain why I'm voting the way I am. I’m sure many of you are sick of hearing about groping and emails so I’m going to talk about an issue that is very important to this election and to myself. I’m going to do so in more than 140 characters so bear with me. A centerpiece of the Trump campaign has been about how immigrants are stealing American jobs, bringing crime and terrorism to this country. As such he’s called for building walls to keep out immigrants and bans based variably on religion and / or country of origin. His rhetoric is frequently laced with the language of Nativism and vague calls to protect real Americans from others. Speaking as someone who is the son of immigrants and with a strange sounding name I’ve lived with this issue all my life. The greatness of America has never been about building walls and banning people, the greatness of America comes from welcoming waves of immigrants willing to work and build this country. The Irish, Polish and Italians were once derided as being crime ridden and unable to assimilate much of the language we hear now about Mexican and Middle Eastern immigrants were said about those people. The Donald Trumps of the time warned that Catholic immigrants could never assimilate because they would be more loyal to the Pope than to a President and warned that they would impose their religious laws on the US. We would never have the country we have now if not for those immigrants and we take it for granted that their descendants are essential to this country. What is often forgotten is that Mexicans and Muslims have been part of this country for longer than the waves of those other immigrants and have been essential parts of this countries. Much of this country has been built by Mexicans and the Muslim population of this country has been among the most educated and successful subgroups. It is immigrants who made this country great in the first place and who are continuing to make this country great. Many might ask since my family came here legally, I’m a citizen by birth and my family is well educated law abiding members of society why does this issue matter to me? It matters because as a first generation American history has shown that fear of immigrants, legal or illegal, has frequently hit people like myself. The only laws that were passed to block wholesale immigration from one nation were the Exclusion Acts that banned immigration from China. When the US held under suspicion and detained a whole group of people based solely on ethnicity were the Japanese. Both of those were shameful chapters in US history yet we hear calls from a major presidential candidate for similar things now. Knowing that history I can’t ignore what is happening to others who may be Mexican or a refugee from the Middle East. Of course the inevitable argument is that there are Muslim terrorists and violent Mexican criminals I won’t deny those exist. It is human nature that among any group of people there are some who are violent criminals. Let’s not pretend though that being an American for many generations somehow makes one immune from being antisocial and violent. The killer of the two officers in Iowa wasn’t a Muslim or an immigrant. Further this ridiculous analogy that we should ban immigrants because of a few “bad hombres” like we should reject a bowl of Skittles because there might be a poisoned one ignores that people aren’t Skittles. Skittles can’t get educated, become entrepreneurs nor can they put their lives on the line to defend this country. For as much fear and hostility that immigrants face every generation of immigrants has been willing to defend this country. It is fitting that the most decorated regiment in US history was the 442nd made up of Japanese Americans most of whose families were in internment camps held by the country they fought for. Nor should it be surprising that there are many ethnic Mexicans who serve in our military even as people talk about building walls to keep more out and deporting many who have grown up here. Of course many Muslims serve and have given their lives for this country even as much of the country looks upon them and their religion with fear and suspicion. For this and other reasons I have no problem casting my vote for Hillary Clinton. One campaign talks about being stronger together and welcoming people, the other talks about walls and bans. To me and the America that I believe in and proudly call myself a part of the choice is clear.
Sources: U.S. intel warning of possible al Qaeda attacks in U.S. Monday Its not confirmed but just wanted to post this.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-alqaeda-idUSKBN12Z1F2 Saw that too and was about to post. We've got 4 troopers with m4s at all four exits/entrances of my building. Essentially saying "bring it you bit$# a@# terrorists!"
Up until the last second, I considered voting for Hillary. Despite considering myself a Republican, I was never going to vote for Trump. The most recent scandals made the final decision easy for me: I voted for the only conservative in the race, Evan McMullin. The other reasonable option was abstention, but I wanted to actually vote for someone since abstention doesn't do anything.
I have not fully decided yet, but leaning towards voting for Trump over Johnson. The election boils down to two things for me. Supreme Court and political philosophy. More the former. I think the SC should be what drives everyone's vote this year. It ties in with the political philosophy. I do not want a liberal SC, and I do not want a liberal government. I'm not against all things liberal, I am against a bunch of well meaning but poorly implemented 'solutions' which do nothing but drive up our debt. Trump at least talks about trying to correct some of these things. Whether he could actually do any of it, we will have to see. I'm not the worried about all the 'crazy' stuff that people usually point out. First, those were just things said during campaigning. Second, they would never get implemented even if he did try to do so. So, I'm not going to worry about stuff that isn't going to happen. I get this sentiment, and might even somewhat agree with it. Trump is a wild card. He might actually do some fairly good things. Or, he might be a total wreck. Which brings it back to the SC issue. I would say that one could argue whether more of the same is actually going on a path that might destroy the country.
It's odd to me that people are okay with the justices that Trump has listed as wanting for the supreme court. We know that his nominees on the supreme court Americans will lose some of their rights. The potential nominees are on the record voicing that. I just can't see hoping for justices that will try and strip rights from Americans.
i didnt think i would be voting trump... i thought hillary could do something to sway me - something to make me want to follow her. the only way we evolve past all this crooked bullshit is to roll the dice. trump gets my vote.
Trump definitely should have announced who some of those competent people would be...I think that would have helped a lot. What do you think Hillary's Justices will do? Heck, what has the court already been doing, for decades?
To me, they give you the illusion of choice but reality is that they are two sides of the same coin. You can accept that and choose the "lesser" of two evils or you can decide that you have had enough. To those who think either candidate will be the end of the US as we know it, I trust the wisdom of the founders and believe that this will be a true test of out checks and balance system.
You bring up a good point and I don't like the rhetoric that either candidate will destroy the US. I think the talk that Trump will launch a nuclear war is hyperbole and is frankly unhelpful. For all of his flaws he's not suicidal. Talk that Clinton will sell out the country is also ridiculous hyperbole. That said it is very clear to me that Trump is dangerous. Checks and balances will keep him from doing too much but the power of the Presidency means that he can still do a lot. I posted this in another thread and I recommend reading it to understand what sort of threat a Trump Presidency versus a Clinton Presidency is. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/dont-gamble-on-trump/506207/
Posts like this just leave me scratching my head. What exactly have you had enough of? Politics as usual? And the answer to this is to elect an "outsider" who is somehow even more dishonest than normal politicians and who surrounds himself with blatantly corrupt figures like Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani?
I think they will probably be progressive to moderate appointees. What rights have the courts taken away the past couple of decades? Possibly they infringed on voting rights when they over turned aspects of those laws, but that move falls more in line with the justices Trump has talked about than with Hillary's agenda.
