Black lives matter vs. All lives matter (an experiment)

I'm acting like that is something said at every single BLM gathering because it's something said at every single BLM gathering. You on the other hand are acting like it's not a major point of emphasis simply because you seemingly realize how stupid it is. In fact, you are going further than that calling it a straw man as if that's not something those moronic BLM types say at all, rather something I made up.

 

Blm are a group that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly protests police killings of black people and broader issues of racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system.

 

Kind of funny that a racist group like BLM would campaign against violence WITH violence.....but that's just what racist hate groups do I guess.

 

Bobby we not gonna do this the kkk and other groups are standing up for what they feel is right ? have you called them colorist.

 

I'm sure if you asked them, or their supporters that's what they'd tell you.....just like any racist hate group.

 

Yeah and 7 million Jews were once killed.
Are they complaining still?

 

Clearly they need to take to the streets and protest.

 

The question is are jews still being massly incarcerated and given longer sentences for minor offenses? What about racially profiled & harrassed by police for nothing?


It's easy for somebody who's privileged and lives on a imaginary peddle stool to say somebody else's "complaining". Who better than somebody like you

 

Or they can simply shoot at police, threaten the government while taking over a government building. Pure thuggery. Wait, those were the Bundy's???

 

Are you angry because those weren't black people doing it? I mean change their skin tone and put a BLM banner up and you'd be on board right?

 

Angry? No. Just a little confused how ppl like you seem so threatened with the peaceful protest of people of color who want justice. Yet you have no opinion on these Bundy militia thugs who actually DID the things you accuse BLM of. Nothing? What would you label them? IMO, this takes away any credibility you have on race topics.

 

LOL, that's a pretty stupid assumption on your part....but given your recent posting history on this thread, it's not terribly surprising.

When the Bundy BS happened, I said I'd be fine with the police or military moving in and wiping them out. I said that's what they deserve. Of course no one whined like a little b**** when I said that because the people I said it about were white.

It's also funny that you only like to talk about the "peaceful protest" of the BLM hate group while ignoring their violent actions. I imagine a KKK supporter might highlight the "peaceful protest" while leaving the rest out too. I guess it's just a hate group supporter thing.

 

You've been to every single BLM gathering?

No, I'm acting like it isn't a major point of emphasis because I have paid attention and am fully aware of what the actual concerns of BLM supporters are.

The part that is a straw man is you pretending like there aren't other concerns. You've boiled it down to a single hyperbolic point, claimed (without evidence) that it is the central (or only) concern proffered by BLM supporters, and claimed that the concerns of BLM are invalid as a result.

Try again, rookie, your desperation is palpable.

 

The klu klux klan was created three years after the emancipation proclamation to remind black people of their price for freedom. They burn churches, homes of black people, lynched black people, marched and congregated in the streets publicly, they are a hate group. BLM is a group of people that has watched the systemic killing of black and brown people by police officers with blatant egregiousness and decided to protest against the violence, how is BLM a hate group?

 

And by the way the oldest police force in America the L.A.P.D was created three years after the creation of the klan, who do you think they hired?...

 

I stopped objecting to this argument a while ago, but I can't tell if your obtuseness is sincere. BLM started because of the perception that American society does not put the same value on the lives of black people that they do on white people. People started saying this All Lives Matter thing as a rebuke to BLM, dismissing their concerns and in effect saying black people don't deserve any better treatment than they are getting right now. Saying All Lives Matter sounds all peachy in a vacuum, but when you say it to tell BLM to shut up, your persecution is all in your head -- despite the statistics that say otherwise -- then yeah it's going to cause offense.

And, the problem for white people hearing that Black Lives Matter is not that blacks are claiming to matter more than white people. The problem is that in so saying, BLM is telling whites they're racists. People don't like being accused of being racist. The difference is that the white reaction is proving them right with this All Lives Matter nonsense.

The dead ones, no. The other Jews, hell yeah. And the Armenians still complain about the genocide in Turkey in WWI, the Chinese still complain about the Rape on Nanking, the Vendeens still complain about the colonnes infernales during the French Revolution. People don't really let go of these things.

 

That's not the impression I'm getting from Black Lives Matter at all. Sure, there is that concern that black people aren't being handled by police fairly, I get that, not that I'm affirming that's the reality but I understand that concern but BLM's also sent out the message that black people are almost always victims rather than allowing the due process of the law to convict them or not. That's just racist in favor to blacks.

 

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I can see your point and think you will see mine when a black person gets 20yrs for a crack rock and a white person gets maybe 1 yr probation that should be a concern that all people can see so yes i'm affirming that this is a known fact so the concerns of BLM do have a reason to protest and those that use BLM that are trouble makers making the name look bad aren't doing it for BLM they are just thugs.

 

There isn't anything obtuse about it. Just look at the two phrases. Which of these has racial connotations:

Black Lives Matter
All Lives Matter?

Yes, but there is a political angle to it as well, with the typical political using of phrases to stir people up to gain power. That is what many object to.

Some, maybe, but no one I know. All Lives Matter is saying exactly what you claim BLM is saying, and that is exactly how many people use it. Again, which of the two phrases do you agree with:

Black Lives Matter
All Lives Matter?

In general, that isn't how I see it used. It is used to emphasize the very thing you claim BLM is supposed to be about...and hence shouldn't cause any outrage. Except for the political angle I mentioned...it takes that away.

One could also argue this from an effectiveness standpoint. Which of the two phrases below do you think will garner more effective support and change:

Black Lives Matter
All Lives Matter?

The answer depends on which group you are looking to get support from. If you are looking to stir up the black community, then definitely BLM. But if the purpose is really to enact change, then the latter. What reason would there be to object to black groups saying All Lives Matter? None....

Yes, that could be part of it.

What exactly is nonsense about saying 'All Lives Matter'. Don't they? You are arguing context, but I don't see most people using it in the context you indicate...and the problem is the context, not the phrase itself.

So, it comes down to what the purpose of the BLM movement is. Is it to stir up the black community, or to enact change in the broader community? If the latter, there isn't any reason to be against anyone saying All Lives Matter. Some people may use it in ways one could be against, but the issue is with those people, not the phrase. BLM inherently pits one racial group against another, and is often used in that fashion. If blacks really want to be treated like all people, then there isn't anything wrong at all with saying All Lives Matter. It is just recognizing Black Lives Matter, and saying, of course they do: All Lives Matter.

 

I haven't heard anyone claiming "that black people are almost always victims." The main claim is that there is still discrimination against black people in our society, both overt and disguised. BLM wants us, as a society, to address this concern rather than continuing to sweep it under the rug.