New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

Well, for one, Trump's decision to pretend to be a Republican in order to win their nomination is the reason Hillary won the 2016 presidential election.....so there's that screw up.

 

Bizarre. I wouldn't even know where to start. You'd have most likely protests starting at the inauguration itself. Look, I try listening to him, I try to find some indications that he knows what he's talking about.... but I'm telling you, it's tough. This is not Romney, or McCain, or Dole... as we've said before, disagree on policy, but not whether they could make rational, reasoned decisions and take the advice of people who know better than them (e.g. military generals). I really do feel that Romney, McCain, Bush (yes, I know, Iraq, but other than that, I saw him as rational), Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Gore- i don't think I WORRIED about them overall, mainly concerned about specific policy matters.

If he wins, maybe he'll surprise us. But everytime the phrase, "Donald Trump, President of the United States" comes from the voices in my head, I just get this jittery, strange vibe....

 

Everyone has known Trump is a rich mo-fo since the 70's. No way that none of these women tried to sue him before knowing that.

 

OK, so really? That's a silly argument and you know it. You could point out anything to do with governing and say, "See? Donald Trump didn't mess up there." Yeah. Of course, you have to actually BE in a position of governing to make a mistake in governing.

Come on,you're better than that. Don't tell me Donald Trump hasn't made humongous mistakes in the business world. Don't tell me Donald Trump hasn't made serious errors in judgment based on the 100s of things he has said alone.

If you want to use the argument of, "Clinton made mistakes in governing and Trump hasn't," well, it's a no-win argument but probably intellectually dishonest.

 

Of course he has, but you are the one trying to equate a mess up that threatens the security of the whole country to a mess up of being a loud mouth jerk. They are not the same.

 

How are you going to sue someone for sexual harassment when that person is not your employer- especially back then?

Look, you guys can make the case against Hillary Clinton all you want... I've already stated that's completely understandable from a policy standpoint- and if you think he's a good decision-maker. I've also already stated that, although you have to listen to someone who brings a sexual assault charge against someone, I have to say that Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

But I'm not about to defend Trump for the 100s of stupid things he's done and said- and yes, what you say MATTERS. As a matter of fact, because Donald Trump has ZERO governing experience (and no, it's not the same as running a corporation), we have to give even more weight to what he says b/c there is no criteria to judge him for governing others.

So, if you want to vote for him b/c Clinton has made errors in governing and you don't think Trump will, power to you.

BTW, this is how charged up all of us are about this. I post a multi-paragraph thread which is pretty even-handed and I get the responses I get. I should have known. This week is going to be intolerable. Time to take a week-long break.

 

May 8, 1991: Paula Jones, then a receptionist working a conference at the Excelsior Hotel in Little Rock, says that a bodyguard working for then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton escorted her to a hotel room. Clinton then allegedly took down his pants and crudely asked her for sexual favors

That's an example above....

Clinton committed crimes while governing. You are downplaying what she did.

FTR, I don't see my response as volatile. Sorry if it came off that way.

 

Threatening to ban Muslims, questioning our alliance with our NATO allies, encouraging the hacking of Americans, threatening to imprison a political opponent, a willingness to use nuclear weapons. Those are just off the top of my head.

 

That's not really fair, she belongs in jail for her crimes while Secretary of State, saying that you'd see that justice was done isn't really the same as you are trying to make it sound.

The rest I agree with to a certain degree.

 

which one of these things are you claiming threatens my security? thinking Hillary should be locked up? that's most the country i think.

It is a terrible argument to claim that if Trump was elected he might do all the awful things Hillary already has done.

 

Regardless, a sitting president should not be directly involved in a decision like that, it would be setting a horrible precedent. And that goes double for completely buffoonish presidents who don't care about civil liberties at all.

 

Let's go through the list.

• Threatening to ban Muslims -- this one should be obvious. anyone willing to create such a blanketed discriminatory policy based on religion should be considered an enormous threat to everyone's safety, security, and liberty in this country.

• encouraging the hacking of Americans -- seems obvious enough. such disregard for state security endangers everyone.

• threatening to imprison a political opponent -- this is kim jong il banana republic type stuff. crapping on the legal system to carry out perosnal vendettas.

• a willingness to use nuclear weapons -- aside from the obvious threat of an extinction level event, this type of sabre rattling is clearly destabilizing.

 

Where do I even start with this? You don't know how questioning our NATO alliances or a willingness to use nuclear weapons threatens your national security? Like, you're serious?

 

Watching Granville, TMac35, SugarlandKid, tallanover and OkieRock get thrown into a tizzy with their artificially inflated sense of hope is nothing short of hilarious.

 

A sitting President shouldn't have commented on a police matter like Obama did with the Gates case either.

 

Not as a hilarious as watching an inept attorney constantly make a fool of himself.

 

LMFAO No.... no they don't.

 

I disagree. If someone is escaping justice due to political connections, I think the president should put pressure on the DOJ to do their job.....you can bet Obama is putting pressure on the DOJ to NOT do their job when it comes to the Hillary situation right now.

 

LOL.....Don't worry.... the checks from the r****d squad (Trumpers) cash just as well as those from everyone else.

 

Nice deflection, very Trumpian of you. They should put you on CNN as a Trump surrogate so that I can turn the TV off every time I see your face.