This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

Trades are obviously different than free agents.

NBA teams meet with free agents all the time. It's a known process at this point.

As do teams in other sports.

It doesn't mean it's required. But certainly the QB position is unique in all of team sports. 50'ish players on a team and one of them is the difference generally between a great season and not a great season.

Outside of any time constraint issue (which there really wasn't) why wouldn't the coach meet with Brock beforehand?

 

No they dont....all the players that are signed at midnight...have not met with the front staff. Usually, it's just showing up at midnight with a contract ready to sign. If you want to consider that 30 minute meeting as something, thats great, but the contract is there to be signed regardless of what takes place.

Because it's not necessary. What can be said during that meeting that would change anyone's minds? Unless Brock says that he hates learning and doesnt want to improve, then maybe that would be good to know. Otherwise, meetings are basically all about contract talk...not about getting to know a player.

 

When throwing to Nuk – 3 TDS 3.9% – 7 INTS 9.2%, 40/76 – 52.6% 434 yards, 5.7 YPA, 44.52 QBR (directly below Drew Stanton, above Cole Beasley and only 4.92 points above players who have only thrown 1 pass for an incompletion)

To other receivers – 6 TDS 2.7% – 2 INTS .9%, 136/221, 61.5% – 1285, 5.8 YPA, 82.87 QBR – 24th in QB’s who have thrown 100 or more times (above Winston and Newton, below Siemian)

 

Yes, I do want to consider that 30 minute meeting a meeting.... because its a meeting. I'm not sure why it's even arguable. It's just a fact.

If we're arguing purpose.. yes, typically the pursuing party is ready to present the contract right then and there, but it can't be hurtful to have the meeting and get to know each other beforehand.

Maybe it's not necessary. Maybe it'd be helpful.

Every case is unique. And I think this case is highly unique. A guy with very limited playing time, a huge contract, a position that is unique in sports, etc. This isn't going into a meeting with KD, Lebron, Melo, Dwight... or even the lesser free agents in the NBA... where you nonetheless are pretty clear what the skill-set and mindset is.

This is different. It's a team and organization and coach who are kind of pinning their next 3+ years on this one move, when they really have no clue how it might pan out, can't fully gauge the players capabilities, and at a position where the mental aspect of the game is as important if not more so, assuming relatively equal physical skills, as anything.

For Bill not to have a good clue about how BO thinks in the huddle, at the line, reading defenses, familiarity with his offensive playcalling, etc. before presenting the contract seems folly to me. And BO might have answered all those types of questions completely wrong and they might have still offered the same contract...

 

But that "meeting" is not with the head coach. Same as in Brock's case. And I'm not sure what difference you think that meeting would have made. Brock's greatest asset will shine through during a meeting. He always has great answers for the media. Has been touted for his leadership skills. Has embraced the organization. He might have gotten even more money if they had more "meetings". Only thing that might have made a difference was a work out.

 

Actually, the Patriots are tailor-made to waste picks on QBs because they hoard picks. Since 2010, they made 64 draft picks to the Texans' 57. They can take flyers, not only because they have fewer upfront needs - but because they have more picks.

 

I'm pretty sure they did, actually - I recall Kubiak and him playing a round of golf.

 

Well they have more picks because they don't trade up and take care of compensatory picks

 

Yes, he made a point of it. He knew he couldn't afford Schaub being a bust

 

I'm not exactly sure what could be gained from a meeting. It's not like the draft where players have to sell themselves to teams. In free agency, it's the team selling itself to the player. Theoretically, you can grill a guy on his knowledge and work him out. But that really only works with low level guys who are just hoping to find a job. You probably couldn't have done that with Brock who was still reasonably sure he would get an offer from Denver. Guys who sign for a whole bunch of money don't work out for other teams. They usually get courted and catered to instead.

 

Maybe he and O'Brien would have gotten in a shouting match.

Maybe Bill would have found out that Brock doesn't like throwing slants

 

Did the Rocket not know the player they had in Harden prior to showing interest and trading for?

Of course they did.

He displayed that fully on the court.

There was plenty of tape on him for them to covet him enough to want to pull the trigger, and you couldn't answer if they did or not speak with/meet him prior to pulling said trigger.

And as far as Schaub, the Texans traded for him and took a risk, but felt he was worth a trade....did they offer him franchise QB money once he set foot in-house?

I don't recall....I would bet NO!

They obtained him, and let him play out to see what he could do PRIOR to offering him any big pay day.

Texans knew squat about Brock other than a few managerial games with the best defense in the entire league under his belt, and decided on a whim, he was worth it....hardly any real vetting.

Just....oh, he played on a championship team, so that makes him a champion, right? WRONG!

To your point, maybe there are many times where silly, whimsical signings occur, but that doesn't make them any less silly.

 

i don't remember that about schaub. I remember them giving him a nice contract in 2007 qb currency when he did get here. Then I remember his first year under kubiak's season, there was a stretch of 8 games where he had more ints than Tds. Then, San diego CB cheap shots him 10 seconds after delivering a pass, knocks him out for weeks. half way through the next season, people wanted rosencopter full time until rosencopter happened.

 

Is your Google broken? It isn't hard to fact-check.

Yes, they handed Matt Schaub a huge contract, sight-unseen - 6/$48MM for a player that had no meaningful NFL experience.

 

The trade that sent Matt Schaub from the Atlanta Falcons to the Houston Texans not only made the three-year veteran quarterback an instant starter, it made him a very rich man.

Schaub signed a six-year, $48 million contract with the Texans, a move that officially consummates the trade. As part of the deal, Schaub -- who played golf with Houston coach Gary Kubiak on Monday in a get-acquainted session, the Houston Chronicle reported -- will receive $7 million in guarantees. Schaub has not won a regular-season start and barely completed 50 percent of his pass attempts in three seasons with the Falcons.

"This is another exciting moment in the history of the Texans," team owner Bob McNair said at a news conference Thursday. "Winning is all about getting better every day, and that's what we're trying to do."

Schaub, 25, will earn roughly $20 million in the first three years of the contract.

After the first three years, the Texans must pay Schaub a $10 million option bonus in March 2010 to trigger the final three seasons of the contract, or he becomes a free agent. This is the same Houston team, though, that paid the soon-to-be-discarded David Carr a "buy back" bonus of $8 million last spring to reinstate three years of his contract that had voided.

On Wednesday night, agent Joby Branion termed the Schaub deal "a real contract" -- meaning it was a legitimate deal for a starting-caliber quarterback -- and he was accurate in that assessment.

Certainly the economics of the deal all but mandate that Schaub will be the Texans' starter. And for Schaub, a third-round choice in the 2004 draft, it represents a financial windfall. As a rookie, Schaub signed a three-year, $1.365 million contract. It included a signing bonus of $445,000 and annual base salaries at the NFL minimum.

Had he signed the one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer the Falcons made him early in the spring, Schaub would have had a base salary of $2.3 million for 2007. There was, his agents told ESPN.com more than a year ago, no way that Schaub would have considered a long-term deal that would have carried him past the 2007 season, since he would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency at that point.

Whether Schaub would have been able to earn more by signing a one-year contract with the Falcons for 2007, and then going into the open market as an unrestricted free agent next spring, is now a moot point and a matter of speculation.

Suffice it to say the contract that he signed to complete the Wednesday trade agreement is a healthy one.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2808100

They were somewhere around the third tee when Matt Schaub began to poke fun at Gary Kubiak's golf game.

"I'm thinking, 'This is my kind of guy,' " Kubiak said.

Sometimes it's the oddest things that impress a potential employer. In that single remark, Kubiak saw something he liked in the man he was trying to envision as his new quarterback.

He already had talked to dozens of people who'd played with or coached Schaub and watched all the video he could get his hands on. But before he completed the trade that brought Schaub to the Texans, he wanted some face time.

'Just the two of us'
So he tracked him down in Southern California and asked him to play a round of golf. That Kubiak hardly ever plays; that he's, by his own admission, "pretty bad," might have made the day even better.

"We had five hours together, just the two of us," Kubiak said. "I already knew a lot about him. I felt like I had a sense of what he was all about. I wanted to reassure myself that this was the type guy you wanted to be the leader of your football team. I wanted to find out how driven he was to take the opportunity we were about to offer him. I wanted to know if he was ready to do this deal."

As they recall the day, it's obvious that each was interviewing the other. Kubiak wanted a sense of Schaub's personality and leadership skills. He wanted to know how important football was to him.

Connection made
Schaub was studying Kubiak, too. Did he have a sense of humor? How would he handle the grind of a long season? He wanted a feel for how he would call games, too, for what he thought the Texans might look like with him at quarterback.

"It was a matter of connecting with one another," Schaub said. "We talked ball. We talked X's and O's. We were talking the language because I'd been in this offense for a while. We talked about other stuff, too. I think we felt comfortable with one another. We knew that if we did this thing we'd be spending a lot of time together."

After they had lunch, both made telephone calls. Schaub told his agent: "I would love to be this guy's quarterback." Kubiak told Texans general manager Rick Smith: "Let's do it."

The next day, the Texans sent the Falcons two second-round draft choices and agreed to flip 2007 No. 1 spots. Schaub signed a six-year, $48-million contract, and that was that.

In the days since, Schaub has impressed almost everyone around the Texans by arriving early and staying late and by reaching out to team-
mates on both sides of the ball.

It would be impossible to overstate the importance of Schaub to the immediate future of this franchise. In the things that can be measured, he's among the brightest quarterback prospects in the NFL. But he's about to celebrate his 26th birthday and has started just two NFL games. No matter how much homework the Texans have done, they won't really know how good Schaub is until the games begin.

Gambling on QB
Kubiak and Smith have staked their careers with the Texans on him. The NFL is a quarterback-driven league, and if they're right about how good he can be, the Texans could take a dramatic step forward next season. If they're wrong, we'll soon be right back where we were around this time last season. Although no real punches have been thrown, Schaub has won admirers on the field and off.

"He's a commanding presence in the huddle," tackle Ephraim Salaam said. "(He) gets people in the right positions. And he's a leader. I think those are the characteristics you look for in your starting quarterback."

Added Center Mike Flanagan: "From the first day here, he has carried himself and acted in a professional manner. You know he wants to be a leader, but he's not just saying it. He's earning it."

Kubiak was struck by something Schaub said during that round of golf. He was the fifth quarterback taken in the 2004 draft, and the first four — Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and J.P. Losman — are all playing.

Probing for insight
"He said he thinks he deserves the same opportunity, and that he thinks he's ready for it," Kubiak said. "There are a lot of backups in this business who say they want to be a starter. Maybe in the back of their mind, they don't really believe it. That's not Matt. He asked a lot of system questions. In a lot of ways, he was asking me, 'How much do you know about me? What are my strengths as a player? What do you feel like we'll be offensively?' That was his way of saying, 'I know you've done your homework on me. Now tell me what I do best.' That was impressive to me."

As the Texans finish their first round of on-the-field drills, the Kubiak-Schaub partnership is coming along. Schaub carries himself with a confidence that has rubbed off on everyone. In the end, it will come down to making plays in games, but for now, the Texans couldn't be more impressed.

"He's everything I thought he'd be and more," Kubiak said. "He's very comfortable with people. His asset is composure. He gets rid of the ball extremely quick. Matt has a clock in his head to get rid of the football. You can't teach that. ... We've already thrown a lot at him, and it looks like he has total control."
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http://www.chron.com/sports/justice/article/Kubiak-sees-a-lot-to-like-in-Schaub-1815025.php

 

Schaub didn't suck his first year even though you could have applied the same excuses to him

 

You've tried to make this point before... No, Schaub didn't suck in his first year with Kubiak. You know who else didn't suck in his first year with Kubiak? Brockland Naismith Osweiler:

Schaub ('07): 66.4%; 2,241 (7.8); 9/9; 87.2 (11 starts)
Brock ('15): 61.8%; 1,967 (6.9); 10/6; 86.4 (7 starts)

Also, Schaub got better in subsequent years; that's what better QBs tend to do. Hopefully, it's what Osweiler will do.

 

Except Brock sucks this year. He's not getting better.

Schaub didn't suck until after the lisfranc injury.

 

Dang two 2nds and a swap of firsts for Schaub?

No good QBs in 2007's draft though after checking

 

He's no longer in Kubiak's system, though, and he's obviously struggling with the adjustment. Whether that's his fault, BOBs', or some other reason... he's obviously regressed.