Black lives matter vs. All lives matter (an experiment)

Has it been shown to be not true? I'm not sure it has.

 

So, the concerns of the VAST majority of African Americans are invalid merely because you say so? It must be nice to be able to just ignore the concerns of such a large number of people just because of your opinion.

Perhaps you don't realize that the concerns of the black community are widely shared and BLM sprung out of those concerns.

I guess you're willing to write off the valid concerns simply because there are a couple of people spouting unproductive garbage. That's called throwing the baby out with the bathwater and is a logical fallacy.

You should stop "gathering" and start trying to understand. The reason you can't help me is because you don't have the capacity, you're not willing to think outside a tightly confined box.

 

The number of people that hold an invalid opinion doesn't make that opinion any more valid. There's likely thousands who believe in the Loch Ness Monster....but that doesn't mean that it is a valid belief. And yes, it's very easy to ignore those invalid beliefs just like it's easy to ignore other invalid beliefs not based in reality.

If true, that's incredibly embarrassing for the black community.....but it still makes literally no difference. The belief in Santa might be widely shared...and I still won't take it seriously.

I'm willing to write off the concerns because they are invalid for reasons I have explained in detail.....again, that's the reason. I've told you this many times, yet you still fail to follow along.

It is a bit funny though that you mention logical fallacies given that your whole approach so far is a perfect example of argumentum ad populum, basically suggesting that a lot of people believe something thus it's true.

Semantics. I fully understand that I can't help you, and I seriously doubt anyone could. You have your head stuck in the sand on this one blindly siding with morons who claim that police officers are out hunting down and murdering black people in the streets. Even if you are correct and the majority of the black community agrees with you, it doesn't make that moronic belief any less embarrassing.

 

You just saying the word "invalid" a bunch doesn't invalidate the concerns of the black community. Doing so merely shows that you are and prefer to steadfastly remain ignorant of those concerns.

Now you're equating the experiences of millions of African Americans across the country with a belief in Santa Claus. Could you be any more condescending while simultaneously being absolutely, utterly ignorant? Doubtful, you have reached the pinnacle and nadir, respectively.

Except that you haven't. You said "No, the invalid concerns of black people are invalid because they are invalid." I would call that circular logic except that there aren't enough points there to make a circle.

In an argument where the topic is concerns of black people, their beliefs certainly seem like a valid place to start. Of course you have the ability to simply not think and say things like "the invalid concerns of black people are invalid because they are invalid," which could be the biggest load of bullshit anyone has ever posted on this board, and that's saying something. t_j and bigpuffery are truly proud of the level of bullshit you have posted on this topic.

It isn't only that one belief, however. The concerns go way beyond "police officers are out hunting down and murdering black people in the streets," which appears to be nothing more than the straw man you are using to justify the invalidation of concerns of a large community.

As such, the one with their head in the sand would appear to be you. Ignoring concerns and using logical fallacies to do so, its just what Bobby does.

 

LOL, you are correct, saying the word "invalid" doesn't invalidate the concerns, the fact that they are invalid concerns invalidates those concerns. I truly hope you eventually figure that out.

No, I'm equating the invalid belief that police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets to the invalid belief that a man in a red suit delivers toys around the world in one night during winter. They are really quite comparable beliefs.....and you have a whole lot of people who believe in both.

No, it's not circular logic, it's merely pointing out the obvious. Sadly, it's not obvious to all. You keep saying "So you think that those claims are invalid because....." then a bunch of nonsense and I keep telling you that no, I think that they are invalid because they are invalid. Some day you'll get it. Maybe.

The beliefs of black people are irrelevant when they are divorced from reality, just like the belief in Santa Claus or the boogie man living under your bed. If you can't figure that out....well that's a "you" problem.

LOL, do you know what a straw man is? You can't or you wouldn't have said what you just did. I am talking to an adult right?

That claim is a very common one and you'll find it at literally every BLM event be it a riot, protest, or gathering. Sure it's a really moronic and invalid belief......but isn't that what we've been talking about? The moronic and invalid beliefs of the BLM idiots? I'm pretty sure that's what we've been talking about....only you seem to think that the majority of black people hold those moronic and invalid beliefs while I give the black community much more credit for intelligence.

Again, ironic given that the only thing you've said to try and convince me is that since a lot of people believe those stupid things, that they must me valid.....which is a logical fallacy.

You're doing great kiddo.

 

You still haven't pointed out WHY the concerns are invalid, beyond merely saying so.

Straw man, the majority of the concerns that black people have are not about "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets." When you assert that this is the extent of the concerns, you are constructing a straw man. I agree with you that the statement you keep parroting is indeed invalid. However, there are far more, and far more valid, concerns than your logical fallacy here.

Saying "they are invalid because they are invalid" is the very definition of circular logic. You haven't presented any reason that the concerns are invalid and, in fact, have clearly demonstrated that you don't even understand their concerns, given that you keep claiming that the extent of the complaints is represented by the phrase "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets."

You don't even understand the beliefs I'm talking about. You think the concerns of the black community begin and end with "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets."

Yes, a straw man is a logical fallacy where someone without an actual argument makes up an argument (like "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets") that they can easily tear down without actually addressing the arguments being made by the other party.

That is exactly what you're doing here.

Nice attempt at an insult, this would be another piece of evidence that you are bereft of actual arguments.

No, what most of us are trying to talk about are much more valid concerns, the ones you've chosen to ignore by pretending that "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets" is the only concern presented by BLM and the black community in general.

More insults devoid of arguments, I shouldn't be surprised.

No, you don't. I'm the one saying they have concerns that have nothing to do with "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets" while you are the one saying their concerns are invalid because this is the extent of their concerns.

I haven't said any such thing. I have said that the black community has a great many concerns regarding policing in their communities. You're the one who insists on arguing against a straw man rather than actually addressing these concerns.

You're not, son. You need to try harder, you just look silly.

 

Why is the belief that a fat man in a red suit travels around the world delivering toys to children in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer an invalid belief?

It's the same thing.

 

Not sure sure why BLM gets so much hate. Just watched the documentary 13. Black folks have been systematically treated less than since the founding of America. The same racist tactics we see today were used then. Anybody who knows history should know why black lives matter exist. If all lives matter were true, police brutality, mass incarceration, slavery, racial profiling wouldn't exist in this country

 

Only when you assume that the only concern of the people who support BLM is "police officers are going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets."

It isn't.

 

All of that is going to continue in perpetuity as long as you keep voting for people who believe in the idea that people aren't equal.

Every time I made the statement to my mother that something wasn't fair, I always got the same reply.... "life isn't fair and don't expect anyone to make it fair". I can't imagine my life today if she had said "I know son, you can blame that on those folks over there".

 

Voting is only a minor too. Politicians in general go where the money tells them to. They'll say what they can to get elected then completely change course once they win.

But pls on't mistake my point. I don't use the race card as a excuse for everything wrong. It is what it is. But some benefit from a certain privilege they inherited and some don't. Black ppl were dealt a bad hand from the jump and lives were never valued the same. All lives never mattered since Columbus got here and they still don't

 

And you only assume that the concern of the BLM morons is "police officers going around hunting down and murdering black people in the streets" if you assume that they mean what they say at every single event. I guess we could assume that they are all liars and that their "real" concerns were less moronic, they just want you to hear fake really stupid "concerns". Maybe that's the case. Who knows?

 

Excellent documentary .

All should watch and become enlightened.

 

Another documentary aired on PBS detailing these things too, for anyone interested...

Slavery by Another Name

...eerie...but not totally unsurprising, given the profitability of for-profit prisons today...

...the more things change, indeed...

 

That's not what their saying at every event. But believe what you may. As far as "stupid concerns", I'm not sure what's stupid about equality. The only ppl equality is stupid too is the ones who live with a certain privilege. Not everybody grows up with that privilege. Some ppl can't take someone else's experiences into consideration simply because it's different than their own. That's more the problem not BLM

 

There isn't a problem of equality....groups that commit violent crimes at a disproportionate rate get a disproportionate level of attention and caution. It would be the same for anyone. You hear a mass shooter is on the loose, you're going to double check the white teenager wearing the trench coat. It's just how it is and there's nothing wrong with it.

Anyway it's pretty funny that some people are still trying to make excuses for a racist organization that looks for any excuse to riot. If there was an organization out there that burned towns to the ground any time a white person was killed by a black person.....even when it was fully justified, I'm pretty sure we'd consider them the KKK. When BLM does basically the same thing, we have people out there talking about equality. The group is founded on racism, nothing more, nothing less.

 

Thanks I'll be sure to check it out . I'd hate to be ignorant of the facts .

 

Lmao. Violence isn't a race issue it's a economic issue. People in lower income areas generally commit crimes at higher rates, regardless of race. Another factor is how the media frames violence. Black protestors are seen as thugs. But we just saw Cliven Bundys thug militia takeover a government building, threaten law enforcement, and actually shoot at them. Not once did I hear thug or any derogatory term used. Yet your mad at BLM?

So much ignorance in this post smh. If you knew the history of the KKK, along with the racial history of America, then you know how stupid it is comparing that to BLM. The KKK is a terrorist organization who killed, raped & tortured minorities for CENTURIES. Who has BLM done this too again? Who stole this country from the Indians then slaughtered them? Who was responsible for slavery & Jim crow? If you knew your history, you'd realize the most violent race of ppl aren't even black lol

 

Then you didn't pay attention....which isn't surprising. It wouldn't further a narrative you want to push.

LOL, also unsurprising that you choose to live in the past. Right now the popular racist hate group is BLM. Sure there were others in the past, but that doesn't justify their actions. Anyway you seem to be a lost cause, so I'm not going to bother with you anymore. Keep supporting a racist hate group if you like, I'll keep calling them what they are. I'm sure KKK supporters once upon a time made excuses for their actions, and people now are no different.

 

Actually Ive been paying attention. This "Armed Militia" that Bundy had, at one point had SNIPERS aimed at government officials. They threatened & begged the government for a confrontation. They're now FREE, yet BLM is a hate group simply for holding police accountable? Lol. The real threat isn't BLM

I'm not living in the past lol. Slavery, Jim Crow, Mass incarceration, racial profiling, all still have a huge affect today. You come across privileged, close minded & completely misinformed of american history. You clearly dont know the atrocities the KKK committed. Black Lives matter, though not perfect, hasn't done anything close to what the KKK did. If you can't tell the difference then that's more on your ignorance not mine. Have a good one