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Unaffordable Care Act

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Oct 24, 2016.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Yea, because honestly that was your intent of using that word... :rolleyes:

    Vouchers and tort reform. How novel. But how do either help solve the problems with the previous health insurance and health care system. For example, what do either do to protect the millions with pre-existing conditions?

    So the republican solution is to return to the previous situation where costs were increasing, a huge number of people were without health care insurance, which exasperated the cost problem because they either didn't get medical care and relied on hospital emergency rooms when problems escalated, and where people with pre-existing conditions were denied affordable coverage and care.

    Returning to a broken system isn't on the table. And republicans have been unable to put forward any replacement that solves the previous problems. So fix the affordable care act instead of acting like selfish and spoiled brats that didn't get their way, which is the real reason why republicans refuse to work with and improve the current system in place.
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    OK, let me share my anecdotal story... before ACA I needed to purchase a separate high risk policy for my oldest daughter who had a pre-existing condition (born with transposition of great vessels, corrected with arterial switch when she was 5 days old, she is now 22 years old). All other insurance companies including AARP's insurer refused to not only cover her, but my entire family because of her. I ended up insuring my family through eInsurance and my daughter through Texas State High Risk pool at a cost of $500/month, just for her, and just for the most basic medical coverage (no dental, not vision).

    Once ACA passed, insurance companies were not able to deny my daughter (and family) coverage, so I was able to drop her $500/month premium and include her on my family's policy). So hell yes, I am in favor of ACA. And I am opposed to any republican ideas of getting rid of it, in large part because no republican plan addresses pre-existing conditions.
     
  3. Anticope

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    What's funny is that the majority of people in this thread whining about Obamacare will be voting in 2 weeks for a presidential candidate whose strategy for healthcare is to "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something terrific."
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    This type of logic is exactly why we ended up with Obamacare. Single payer is not coming.

    Answer me these two questions and then maybe I'll believe single payer is coming:

    1) How are you going to get Republicans on board for a single payer system? They have been all about repeal and letting free market take over. Im not going to argue the logic behind this. I am simply telling you how it is.

    2) How are you going to convince the insurance companies to simply 'fold up shop' and quit? The health insurance industry is HUGE. Obamacare gave it absolute control. And you think they are going to just stop selling health insurance and hand it over to the government? What ignorant fantasy land do you live in?
     
  5. edwardc

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    In 1989 the idea for the "individual mandate" that every household obtain adequate health care was proposed by a conservative think tank known as the Heritage Foundation [20] and supported in congress by high profile republicans Newt Gingrich, Orin Hatch and Charles Grassley in 1993.
     
  6. Newlin

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    As I stated, Obamacare has helped some people, and made things more difficult for others.
     
  7. Dubious

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    Why is "Obamacare" making all of you people that don't get your insurance through The Marketplace pay higher premiums?
    Why don't you blame the health insurance industry? How are their non-ACA profits looking? Hell, BCBS, a non-profit is sitting on $9 billion in surplus and giving their CEO a $10 million bonus?
     
  8. Amiga

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    You shouldn't take that at full face value and as if it would happen shortly. The statement was to point out one thing - those that oppose single payer is living in the past and not willing to be part of a more modern society that value human beings livelihood over capitals.

    I also want to point out that you didn't care much about practicality when you stated we should not worry about fighting all the voting suppression laws, even though we have already successfully done so on multiple occasions, but instead focus on a much bigger goal of the voting process (resolving gerrmandering, having a unified registration process, allowing almost everyone to vote and so on) that wasn't going to happen anytime soon.

    There is no problems with doing both. We should address whatever we can in the short term with a Clinton Presidency. But we should aim for the ultimate goal of placing human being health above profits, and a way toward that the world has shown us is through a single payer system.
     
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  9. bigtexxx

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    Time to scrap this turd. Obama should have worked across the aisle to reach a better deal. Instead he jammed through this flawed program.
     
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    Great, what are they going to replace it with? What makes the system we had before ACA better?
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    Far from it exactly. Doing nothing isn't helpful at all.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Because the hard-headed liberals think it might besmirch Obama's "accomplishment". Pride.
     
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    Exactly. Why would the plebs want or need more money? Such a stupid thing; people need to depend on state resources instead of depending upon their own income.
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Bless your heart if you think republicans would ever work with scary, mean, old Obama.
     
  15. HR Dept

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    Single payer is the answer. I don't know how we get there, but we have to figure it out.

    And if you're wondering how we'll pay for it, the answer is very simple. We'll pay for it with all the wasted money that is currently going to the insurance companies. $650 billion a year should be enough to get it done, no?
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    I agree. There is a difference between talking about reality vs fantasy. I fully understand that my voting perspectives are a fantasy. Neither party will work to make this happen. And as I stated, the other issues are red herrings to distract from the issue at hand.

    But back on topic, the failed institute of Obamacare needs to be addressed NOW. This is not the time to discuss fantasy.
     
  17. Commodore

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    2) Why are insurance companies dropping out of ACA then... Seems with all the control Obama gave the insurance companies they can't make enough profits.... Your statement isn't set in reality.
     
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    But now the pizza companies realize they can't make enough money selling pizza...

    Pre-ACA people had cheaper basic plans but somehow the insurance were able to make more profits. Why? Those plans didn't actually pay out much as opposed to ACA making insurance companies cover more.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    It's obvious health care should not be a for profit business. It's another instance in which capitalism is rotting out our country.
     

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