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GP II, B. Brown, Wiltjer, D-Mo or trade?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ballgame, Oct 17, 2016.

  1. BigSquirm

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    yea morey always makes a trade at the deadline
     
  2. Sanity2disChaos

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    The emptiness in that statement
     
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  3. heypartner

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    The changes will be bigly. Yes they will. Everyone is saying so.

    Make Rockets Great Again
     
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  4. Sanity2disChaos

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    Their new style of play is attractive. We may spark interest in players but they are not GMs. If a trade is made it should be a big one or leave the roster be and let's see what we got. In big I mean E.Bledsoe big, if that's big at all, would move the needle in the right direction.

    Two creators and scorers with two shooters and playmakers!!!
     
  5. ROXonROXonROX

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    I'm hearing Tyson Chandler could be a soon, a possible trade of Brew and Dmo (sign and trade) going to Phoenix, we need bigs. I'm also not sure what a lot of ppl here where watching but Ennis played the role he was brought in to do very well. Ennis is a pass first PG w/excellent penetration skills and an average mid rage shooter also has great defensive awareness maybe because he's a long and tall PG. If the trade for TC goes down I see us with a set roster of:
    Harden/Prigs/Ennis/PAT
    Gordon/KJ
    Ariza/Dekker
    Anderson/Harrell/Wiltjer
    Capela/Nene & Chandler splitting time/Onuaku

    That's 15 players with Wiltjer and Onuaku in the Dleague. Also the rotation will start Harden and Gordon with Gordon likely getting some rest first than Harden sitting the start of the 2nd Q while Gordon comes back. KJ will be a huge piece to this rams success bc will more than likely be the first one off the bench. TBH I see a rotation of only Harden, Gordon, Ariza, Anderson, Capela, Nene, Prigs, KJ, and Dekker. Unless someone goes down I don't see anyone else getting any time.
     
  6. Remlap

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    Played the role he was brought in to do? Like wear a uniform?
    He's been pedestrian at best. Look, we don't need a 'pass first' PG with our 2nd unit.
    We can find someone that can dribble and pass from ANY D- League team.
    And it's not like he's blowing past people and scoring at will. He's a terrible finisher.

    So what are we missing when James sits? Passing? Dribbling?
    NO, we need someone else who can shoot and create. And I hate to say it, but with Bev out
    that's looking like Bobby Brown.
    I understand that MDA is planning on having James or Gordo on the court at all times.
    James and Gordo are a lethal combo together. But when it's Gordo with the second
    unit, don't we think teams are gonna key on him? We've already seen it in preseason.
    Our 2nd unit offense has gone stagnant.
    We need scorers. Ennis? Please no. Is he gonna put on a dribbling show and lull
    the defense into submission? He can't do much else.

    I know people say Brown is a black hole. But, that can be remedied.
    What CAN'T be remedied very easily is a PG that can't shoot or score.
    Yes, Brown tried to put on a show. But he proved he CAN create and score if needed.
    Our system is all about offense. The more weapons the better.
    And no, I'm NOT the President of the Bobby Brown fan club. I just want to give
    us the best chance to win games

    One last thing. Did I not recall hearing that Brown was invited to camp at the request of
    James Harden. I wonder if that will factor in here?
     
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  7. roslolian

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    Because you might need him in 3 years? I don't know why you want to trade a 19 year old who can only get spot minutes on the court. When Capela was in his rookie year he was the same, the dude couldn't even hit a ft shot and had like 20% FG during the first half of the year.
     
  8. roslolian

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    I understand where you're coming from but from my perspective it's easier to teach a guy who can't shoot to shoot rather than teach a blackhole how to share the ball. Shooting is a skill, it can be learned and we've seen players like Lowry who couldn't even shoot the ball during their rookie years become elite shooters. But if someone is already a black hole how can that be remedied because the willingness to share the ball is something innate to the person already, it's part of their personality. You can teach a guy to pass better but if he's not willing to share the ball in the first place what good will that do? Westbrick has really good passing skills but that didn't stop him from hogging the ball and taking way more shots than he has a right to.

    The 2nd unit only looked stagnant because it was a preseason game and MDA was trying to see which players were worth keeping or not, in a real game not all the starters will sit unless it's a blow out and I expect some combination Gordon/Harden and Nene/Rhyno will be on the court at all times. That would make Bobby Brown (or whoever the pg is) the 3rd option at best and you don't want a blackhole to be a 3rd option because he will take away shots from the rest of the team. Brown has shown some skill but then again it's only preseason and he's up against scrubs like himself, can Brown score against a serious NBA defense? We really haven't seen any evidence of that, his performance is more like best of a bad bunch rather than dominating scrubs and showing he can barely be at the next level like what Wiltjer did.

    Of course all of this is conjecture but from what I've seen on the court I'd rather have Ennis right now because whoever the guy picked should only get 5-10 mins MAX PT or if any at all. This means a guy like Ennis will have all the time in the world to hit the gym and work on his 3 pt shot. OTH learning to share the ball with other players requires a lot of playing time in order to build chemistry, learn other player's tendencies and mannerism etc. and Brown won't have that opportunity since he'll also be riding the pine. What he'll do then is work on his game alone, which will further increase his blackhole tendencies so IMHO Ennis is better long term. Of course all this is relative to the talent both players have, both DM and MDA are experts at assessing pg talent I'm sure they'll make the correct decision on whom to keep. Maybe they even keep both lol.
     
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  9. magichat281

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    you guys always looking for a trade. Don't even have ball chemistry how you gonna win first of all. then comes free agent no one wants to come because of our **** composition and chemistry.
     
  10. flusched

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    Any team with Brewer on it will suck because any roster he makes defines how desperate the team is. Brewer was included in the deal for the Knicks to get Carmelo Anthony. MDA was the coach of the Knicks at the time and he immediately waived Brewer. Brewer was picked up by the Mavs and won a championship with them. His total contribution to that championship was a 10 minute stretch in game one against the defending champion Lakers. Bobby Brown is a must keep and Brewer is a must go.
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    So you think hurting the current team so that you can keep a low ceiling guy might turn into a bench quality player one day many years from now is a good strategy? Granny Shot doesn't have the upside of Capela, if he did, it would be different.
     
  13. Remlap

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    LOL. Ennis couldn't even score against 3rd teamers. He's got no game.
    Can't see keeping somebody just because they can dribble and pass.
    But we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
    Good thing you and I are not the ones having to make the decision. o_O
    Neither one of them may be on the roster tomorrow.
     
  14. roslolian

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    Why does it hurt the team? You always need a mix of current prospects and future prospects, always trying to go "all in" is just bad policy, that's why everybody on the Mavs and the Grizz are old AF all they care about is winning in the short term. Even if you cut the guy who will you replace him with? There isn't a superstar or even star left in the market available, your replacement won't be a huge needle mover against GSW, Spurs or Cavs so why not use it on a prospect? NBA roster has 15 slots MDA will only play 10 guys max so the guy you replace him probably won't even see the court.

    If you had a crystal ball that say Chinanu will be worthless in 3 years then ok cut the dude. But you don't, at this point nobody knows how good he will become. The NBA is changing, before you had to be a ridiculously gifted athlete or really big to become a viable Center in the NBA but with the advent of space and pace offenses you don't really need those guys anymore as much as you need high bball IQ and well coordinated big men, if Draymond Green or Andrew Bogut played in the 80's/90's/2000's they wouldn't even sniff the court and get cut, nowadays they're considered top flight big men. Neither of these guys are tall, athletic but they have really good bball IQ, well coordinated and don't avoid contact. You can't really tell if Chinanu has these qualities but since you can't tell cutting him and possibly regretting it later on doesn't make any sense. Rookie contracts are the best value in the NBA apart from superstar contracts, you have to have a good reason to get rid of a guy you just drafted otherwise that's a waste of a premium resource.

    To me calling Chinanu Granny Shot is making fun of a guy for being serious about his game, it's like making fun of a fat guy working his ass off at the gym. Ask ft experts everyone of them will tell you for big men shooting "Granny Shot" fts will result in better shots made than doing it the cool way and making like 50% or less. Of course the granny shot isn't for everyone but as someone who has no business shooting jumpers anyway Chinanu recognizes he has a broken jumpshot and has adapted the granny shot to make sure he converts more at the line. Rather than being put at the mercy of the "Hack a Shaq" technique and just whine about it like other big men, he's actually doing something about his weakness.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2008/the-body/07-physics-proves-it-everyone-should-shoot-granny-style

    Honestly I don't give AF how silly a player looks as long as the ball goes in. You know Nash would wipe his hands on the soles of his shoes and then lick his hands right before he does a ft shot? That's 1000x more goofy and silly and than the granny shot but nobody says anything cuz the dude shoots over 90% from the ft line.
     
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    Wasting a roster spot on a guy who might be a bench quality player 3 years from now and having to cut someone who could help the team this year as a result would hurt the team now. That was my point.
     
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    Was at the Open Practice today. Wiltjer sure seems like the favorite to come out. Lots of fans cheering for him.
     
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    Speaking of Wiltjer - wondering whether people think he did himself any damage of securing a contract in the last game against Spurs by bricking 0 from 5 from the 3 - when he's supposed to be a 3pt specialist?
     
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    I don't think so. I mean, he was shooting what, 55% from 3 in the rest of the preseason? That was an unsustainable high percentage that was bound to come down a bit at some point. He's still a phenomenal 3 point shooter at a very young age. If he's cut, another team picks him up in a heartbeat.
     
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  19. heypartner

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    fwiw: he just turned 24yrs old, making him one of oldest rookies this yr
     
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    Is roster determined by fan vote?
     

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