Trump is going to lose. Bigly. The only thing Trump can do between now and Nov 8 is demoralize Republicans more. Meanwhile, the Dem turnout efforts were worth 2-2.5% above the polls in the last presidential election. If that holds, it is a landslide in the making. Trump will eventually acknowledge the election results, but will not acknowledge Hillary's presidency as legitimate and said as much last night: She shouldn't be allowed to run. It's crooked — she's — she's guilty of a very, very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. He'll spend the next few years trying to be the head of a large faction of the Republican Party by railing against her.
They won't really receive any more than previous 3rd party candidates because they really aren't any better than previous 3rd party candidates. Why should they take a lesson from that? Why not take one from any of the others who didn't vote for them for various reasons?
I think they have taken lessons from some of the previous candidates in the past. If a party doesn't take lessons that would gain them a significant number of votes they are foolish. I have no idea how any of the third party candidates will do except in Utah. I know the polls numbers. It will be one of the most interesting things to see post-election is what lessons the two major parties (especially the GOP) learned from their process and procedures.
Why take a lesson from Jill Stein's geographically scattered 450,000 votes (0.36%) of the electorate in 2012? That is a tiny portion of the electorate - and a microscopic portion of the potential electorate. Why not focus instead on various subgroups, for example, of the estimated 100 million otherwise eligible voters who did not turn out in 2012? Other than the absurd edge case (Nader, Florida, 2000) it's really kind of foolhardy to pretend like these folks are kingmakers of any sort.
Last night's performance was evidence that this election has been a setup from the start. Trump is doing everything in his power to ensure Hillary wins come November. How else do you explain him just sitting there in the last debate before the election, the last opportunity to reach voters in an unfiltered and uncensored way, and he sits there silently....he's NEVER QUIET!!! Something ain't right...
Regarding claims that the election might be rigged citing Indiana. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...ifies-voter-registration-fraud-probe-42932293 After initially warning of potential widespread voting fraud, Indiana's secretary of state has acknowledged that many of the thousands of altered registration records she flagged might just be residents rushing to correct their names or birth dates ahead of the election. Republican Secretary of State Connie Lawson told The Associated Press she wanted Indiana State Police to investigate to ensure there was no widespread fraud after her office found a heavier than usual number of changes to voter registration records this election cycle. "It's very possible that because of heightened activity this year that many of those changes are changes that the individual made," Lawson said Wednesday. "... That should give Indiana voters the comfort that we are vigilant and we are protecting their rights and the elections here are not rigged." Indiana is the home state of Gov. Mike Pence, the Republican vice presidential nominee, and also has contentious races for governor and U.S. Senate on the ballot. State police reassured residents in a statement Wednesday that the database Indiana uses to track voter registration "has not been compromised" but said the records Lawson turned over could serve as evidence of forgery in a separate voter fraud investigation it is pursuing. That investigation spans 56 counties and focuses on Patriot Majority USA, a Washington, D.C.-based voter mobilization group with ties to the Democratic Party that says it's being targeted for political reasons. More at link.
Voter fraud does definitely happen. This is from Justin Levitt a professor at Loyola Law School, expert in constitutional law, and particular focus on election administration and redistricting. This guy has been studying it and voter fraud does actually happen. It happens at a clip of 31 times out billion ballots. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ So if trump loses by 2 or 3 votes it would make sense that voter fraud has played a role.
though I barely follow or care about it ( the fewer minutes i'd watched from the debates ,it felt like a private dysfunctional couple's disputes) ,way back i called this election a fixed one from the beginning . the main objective was to assemble the worst possible candidates against Hillary . Trump is uncharacteristically remains popular which means more leaks,allegation & scandals will be revealed ,guaranteed : he would save his worst for the last of this alleged run to warrant a defeat
Emails showing news media members feeding debate questions to one candidate (Hillary) ahead of time Emails from the Clinton campaign to pollsters talking about who to sample (over sample this particular population group!) to put polls in their favor and thus misrepresented Further emails to mainstream media outlets on how they want these poll stories presented to make them look good, tell them what to edit, how they want Bernie Sanders (at the time) or Donald Trump perceived etc.. Clinton Campaign paying money to start violent protests and riots at Trump events and then emails and deals with mainstream media on how they want to paint both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump as violence instigators, and their supporters as hooligans. Video of voter fraud and how commitments to get dnc candidates elected with strategies and ways to get illegal and illegitimate votes in states that need vote help I'm tired but I can go on for atleast 20 more things.. atleast but my gut tells me it's worthless on this board This goes beyond campaigning and playing the game, this is corruptive behavior to sway the election. Corruptive behavior to sway the election leads to a rigged system. Morning Joe actually did a decent job in this short video talking about the contradictory behavior go to 2 minutes on
Scarborough's rant is premature. It's mainly the fear of violence or instability post-election that's causing the freak out. Of course, the anxiety over dumb local yokel whiteys grabbing their guns and going Waco has some understood underpinnings from the political neglect of that demographic by either party for the last 15 years. Compassionate Conservatism, my ass.
You realize you only have seen one candidate's emails right? Or, an even better question - can you actually cite the email you're referring to? Did you even read it? Umm, every candidate does this in every campaign. Campaigns trying to spin polls is standard practicem. Polling firms have reputations to uphold - just because candidates try to argue for their version of the electorate/etc doesn't mean polling firms will do it. Ultimately, those firms get judged on being right. Using a biased sample only ruins their reputation when election day rolls around. You made these two things up completely. Can you show us the evidence behind either? Or did you just read it on some forum of crazy people and regurgitate it as fact? Of course you could, since you can just make things up on the fly. You finally got something right. This board tends to see through made up junk better than whatever forums you copy and paste stuff from.
The stuff you allege isn't really "rigging;" it'd be more like "manipulating the electorate." People still get to vote how they'd like, and their votes will be faithfully counted. I think the Trump camp suffers a vocabulary problem here (perhaps on purpose) -- they want to call everything 'rigging' but the allegation falls flat when it exits the bubble because we see there's a big difference between getting people to vote a certain way and actually not counting their votes. Don't say rigging, which is an affront to all those local electoral bean-counters who go through a lot of trouble to preserve the integrity of the vote. Call it manipulation -- which after all still sounds bad. And Clinton hasn't been a saint in this election. I don't think the things you've alleged are true, but she's taken her advantage where she could. Unfortunately, that is politics as usual; it's just that Clinton is better at it than Trump is.
Well, looks like Russia is willing to provide some "evidence": U.S. vote authorities warned to be alert to Russian hacks faking fraud: officials U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials are warning that hackers with ties to Russia's intelligence services could try to undermine the credibility of the presidential election by posting documents online purporting to show evidence of voter fraud. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said however, that the U.S. election system is so large, diffuse and antiquated that hackers would not be able to change the outcome of the Nov. 8 election. But hackers could post documents, some of which might be falsified, that are designed to create public perceptions of widespread voter fraud, the officials said. They said that they did not have specific evidence of such a plan, but state and local election authorities had been warned to be vigilant for hacking attempts. On Oct. 7, the U.S. government formally accused Russia for the first time of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organizations to interfere with the election process. U.S. officials familiar with hacking directed against American voting systems said evidence indicates that suspected Russian government-backed hackers have so far tried to attack voter registration databases operated by more than 20 states. Tracing the attacks can be difficult but breaches of only two such databases have been confirmed, they said. The officials said there is no evidence that any hackers have succeeded in accessing equipment or databases used to record votes. Many states use systems that would be difficult to hack or defraud, including paper ballots which initially are tallied by machines. U.S. elections are run by state and local officials, not the federal government. On Nov. 8, votes will be cast in hundreds of thousands of polling stations in 9,000 different jurisdictions, according to the National Association of Secretaries of State. The U.S. officials declined to comment on Republican candidate Donald Trump’s contention that the election is being "rigged." Trump said in the third and final presidential debate with Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday night that he would not say until the election results were known whether or not he would accept the outcome. Trump and his campaign officials have repeatedly said that the potential for voter fraud remains high but they have not provided any evidence. On Thursday, Trump said he would accept the results of the election "if I win." He said he reserved the "right to contest or file a legal challenge in the case of a questionable result." Clinton supporters said Trump is unwittingly aiding an effort by Russian President Vladimir Putin to undercut the credibility of the vote. Washington and Moscow are at odds over several issues, from Russian involvement in the Ukraine conflict, the war in Syria and cyber attacks. "Trump does not even know he is being manipulated," said Michael Morell, a former deputy CIA director who has endorsed Clinton. "Trump is an unwitting agent of Putin." ---------- Recall that Russian hackers already reportedly hacked voter registration databases in Florida.
I don't know much about voting machines used throughout the US, especially those in toss up states. So I do wonder about the potential of them being hacked. That would be good to know. This article shed some lights into it: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...cking-is-the-us-election-cyber-infrastructure I think given the obvious danger of being hack, there should be very strong requirements and standard for voting machines that go "online". And this is where the US should spend some resources to secure our voting process and equipment.
Im not one to drone on about voter fraud, but if you think it only happens 10 times a year, you're a complete moron.
