Qandeel Baloch murder highlights how honour killings are still a deep menace affecting Pakistan soci

Amiga · Jul 18, 2016

Related. These societies still have a way to go and need to grow up.

http://hbv-awareness.com/statistics-data/

5000 honour killings per year
1000 honour killings occur in India
1000 honour killings occur in Pakistan

http://hbv-awareness.com/today/

HBV is not uniformly distributed with certain provinces displaying different levels within a country. In Pakistan, for example, the levels of honour-based violence are higher in Punjab and Sindh provinces, whereas in India, Haryana is particularly prone. In other cases, HBV is associated with a particular minority. Responses vary from country to country, where in some cases crimes considered to have been justified by honour are considered lesser crimes, with lower sentences being specified in the penal codes of Syria, Iraq and Jordan amongst others. In Iran, the killing of a child by her or his father or paternal grandfather is not considered a criminal matter. Informal courts in South Asia and the Middle East may encourage honour killings and related crimes against women such as compensation marriages. In the Middle East and South Asia, while some provision for protection exists through the efforts of NGOs and the state, this can be unreliable and inadequate. In certain countries, women deemed at risk of ‘honour’ killing may be imprisoned ‘for their protection’ and may end up serving life sentences for no criminal act of their own, but for the crimes threatened against them. In some cases, there are attempts to mediate between the family and the individual at risk; however these can be unsafe and families may conceal their intentions to carry out a murder.
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http://hbv-awareness.com/history/

While the history of HBV is sketchy and will doubtless be filled in as historians, sociologists and students of women’s history conduct further analysis, the clear point is that there is no single ethnic, cultural or religious indicator of HBV. Rather that HBV has occurred within many different societies, and many different periods in history, within male-dominated societies where there is an insistence upon the control of female autonomy. HBV is ultimately connected to the patriarchal organisation of the family rather than to any specific culture. While Islam is held to be causally related to ‘honour’ killings, due to the harsh and inhumane punishments against sexual ‘immorality’ enacted in Islamic states, these do not license vigilantism and have, at least in theory, evidentiary protocols. This is not to suggest that there is no link whatsoever, as many interpretations of religion, and articulations of family law, tend to exhibit and encourage male dominance within families and negative attitudes to female sexual autonomy, creating an environment in which violence against women may be occasioned and justified.

While the history of HBV shows that this is a deep-rooted phenomenon, as old as civilisation itself, it also provides some grounds for optimism: if social change has led to the eradication of honour-based violence in certain parts of the world, then the global eradication of honour crimes remains a possibility.
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Honey Bear · Oct 19, 2016

"Honor killer" Father and 2 accomplices acquitted by themselves in court of law

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1201428/name-honour-man-kills-daughter-goes-scot-free-pardoning-self/

A man, who had killed his daughter to ‘save family honour’, was acquitted by a court recently after he pardoned himself and his accomplices — a son and a nephew.

While recording his statement in the court of Additional District and Sessions Judge Nadia Ikram Malik, the accused, Faqeer Muhammad, not only pardoned himself, but also his son and nephew who were his accomplices in the case.

The accused said in his statement: “The deceased, Kiran Bibi, was my real daughter. She was unmarried at the time of her murder. There are no other legal heirs of the deceased except her mother, Bushra Bibi, and me.

“I have forgiven the accused persons in the name of Almighty Allah, and have no objection to their acquittal. I also waive my right of Qisas (retribution) and Diyat (blood money).”
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Another situation highlighting the cowardly nature of Islamic society - even if it's not written in the Quran, no moderates have the courage to speak up and take action against the guys murdering and killing in the name of Allah. Muslim when it suits them, not muslim when it doesn't.

Exiled · Oct 19, 2016

it's a cultural issue

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...ster-to-death-christian-honor-killing-165301/

Honey Bear · Oct 19, 2016

Yes, a muslim cultural issue -

While honor killings are a troubling problem in many Middle Eastern and Asian countries, they are usually carried out by Muslims who feel that their siblings have dishonored their family and religion.

As far as honor killing among Pakistani Christians go, those occurrences are quite rare and practically unheard of, says International Christian Concern's Regional Manager for South Asia William Stark.

"After hearing about this killing, I called a contact of mine in Pakistan and asked him about it. He said that it was the first time he had heard of a 'Christian honor killing' in Pakistan in his 14 years working as a human rights activist," Stark told The Christian Post in an email. "Overall, Christians do not follow the practice of honor killing in Pakistan, which is why this killing is so shocking."
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A muslim issue of not speaking up against barbaric acts committed in their own communities. Always looking the other way when unspeakable crimes happen next door, and never taking accountability for unjust violence.

In a country where 98% of the population is muslim and the other 2% is undecided because they're goat human lovechilds -- this is somehow a Christian issue as well, according to the Arab exiled.

Exiled · Oct 19, 2016

Honey Bear said: ↑

Yes, a muslim cultural issue -

A muslim issue of not speaking up against barbaric acts committed in their own communities. Always looking the other way when unspeakable crimes happen next door, and never taking accountability for unjust violence.

In a country where 98% of the population is muslim and the other 2% is undecided because they're goat human lovechilds -- this is somehow a Christian issue as well, according to the Arab exiled.
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meh, ...try again

s land balla · Oct 19, 2016

Honey Bear said: ↑

"Honor killer" Father and 2 accomplices acquitted by themselves in court of law

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1201428/name-honour-man-kills-daughter-goes-scot-free-pardoning-self/

Another situation highlighting the cowardly nature of Islamic society - even if it's not written in the Quran, no moderates have the courage to speak up and take action against the guys murdering and killing in the name of Allah. Muslim when it suits them, not muslim when it doesn't.
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If you actually read the article, you would know that this backwards law has been recently repealed so that this won't happen again in the future. Not every country starts off first-world and progressive. Be thankful that you were born and raised in America, rather than casting aspersions and an air of superiority over a socially and economically struggling country.

Advocate Muhammad Qasim said: “It is astonishing that an accused is forgiving himself for murder charges. It is nothing but a joke with law.” Advocate Aftab Bajwa said it is an irregularity committed by the judge.

Active lawyer Muhammad Azhar Siddique says new honour killing laws would not have retrospective effects; therefore, the offence is compoundable and a compromise can be entered.
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Honey Bear · Oct 19, 2016

s land balla said: ↑

If you actually read the article, you would know that this backwards law has been recently repealed so that this won't happen again in the future. Not every country starts off first-world and progressive. Be thankful that you were born and raised in America, rather than casting aspersions and an air of superiority over a socially and economically struggling country.
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And yet . . . it just happened.

The whole point is it doesn't matter what the actual laws are in Pakistan - Islamic reasoning and mullahs ultimately affect the outcome and sad stories such as this.

Pakistan isn't the only developing nation in the world - but it is the worst outside of subsaharan Africa due to it's inability to progress past archaic Islam based reasonings such as this.

If you "love" your home country, take the initiative to take this story to your local Pakistani mosque and talk about how wrong and unacceptable it is. How it has nothing to do with Quran and you cannot use Allah's name when it suits you. The actions of your community reflect who you are - that understanding is how developed nations came to be. Otherwise, passively letting these stories happen makes you a part of the problem.

s land balla · Oct 20, 2016

Honey Bear said: ↑

And yet . . . it just happened.

The whole point is it doesn't matter what the actual laws are in Pakistan - Islamic reasoning and mullahs ultimately affect the outcome and sad stories such as this.

Pakistan isn't the only developing nation in the world - but it is the worst outside of subsaharan Africa due to it's inability to progress past archaic Islam based reasonings such as this.

If you "love" your home country, take the initiative to take this story to your local Pakistani mosque and talk about how wrong and unacceptable it is. How it has nothing to do with Quran and you cannot use Allah's name when it suits you. The actions of your community reflect who you are - that understanding is how developed nations came to be. Otherwise, passively letting these stories happen makes you a part of the problem.
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I don't go to the mosque, but I know topics such as this (how wrong and unacceptable it is) are routinely discussed. But how is that going to help what's going on in Pakistan? Pakistanis in a Sugar Land mosque are a much different demographic than Pakistanis in a rural Pakistani mosque. That's what I don't get about the whole "moderates need to speak out against this!" point of view.

AroundTheWorld · Oct 20, 2016

s land balla said: ↑

I don't go to the mosque, but I know topics such as this (how wrong and unacceptable it is) are routinely discussed. But how is that going to help what's going on in Pakistan? Pakistanis in a Sugar Land mosque are a much different demographic than Pakistanis in a rural Pakistani mosque. That's what I don't get about the whole "moderates need to speak out against this!" point of view.
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I had a cab driver from Pakistan in Silicon Valley who said he supported the killing of that governor who spoke out against the Apostasy laws in Pakistan. People don't really shed their beliefs when they move from one place to another.

tinman · Oct 20, 2016

s land balla said: ↑

I don't go to the mosque, but I know topics such as this (how wrong and unacceptable it is) are routinely discussed. But how is that going to help what's going on in Pakistan? Pakistanis in a Sugar Land mosque are a much different demographic than Pakistanis in a rural Pakistani mosque. That's what I don't get about the whole "moderates need to speak out against this!" point of view.
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Sugar Land Pakistanis , most likely are fans of the Rockets
Pakistani Pakistanis, most likely are not fans of the Rockets

Invisible Fan · Oct 20, 2016

These violent beliefs and attitudes turn me off to any of the the ME religions. Hiding behind "regional" culture or tribalistic male privilege doesn't sugar coat it either.

Bit senseless and ironic to the idea of preserving family name. Apparently violent psychopath is more honorable than sexually permissible deviant.

I guess what I'm saying is that if other people are giving me **** for another family member, when given the choice of "culturally permissible" murder, I'd rather kill those **** talkers than my own family member.

Backwards, I know...

Exiled · Oct 20, 2016

AroundTheWorld said: ↑

I had a cab driver from Pakistan in Silicon Valley who said he supported the killing of that governor who spoke out against the Apostasy laws in Pakistan. People don't really shed their beliefs when they move from one place to another.
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was it a coincidence to have some random abominable conversation with a cab driver like that! or you deliberately stalked him all way to cali.?

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