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[TV] Westworld on HBO

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tehG l i d e, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. peleincubus

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    Prey - Nanotechnology
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    is Arnold the MIB? The whole ground hog day thing is kind of getting boring. Wish some of the plots would start moving.
     
  3. GRENDEL

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    I think that's pretty much what happened last night with Dolores, she's not stuck in a loop anymore. She's become able to defend herself and has broken from her loop.
     
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    This last episode is leading me to believe that they are all, in fact, androids and the real experiment IS precisely to create true consciousness/AI. I don't know if all the support staff are in on the jig or not, but Bernard is my pick for the "control" part of the experiment. The way Ford brings up his painful backstory, like he wants him to access this memory and the loss of his son and influence his interaction further with Delores. And the apocryphal Anthony story is suspect, as though it is actually Ford who is trying to create consciousness and using the park as his grand experiment. Or his death was not so accidental after we see Ford's callousness with the new androids. And of course, something-something milirary industrial complex....double blind experiment, game within a game--I'm just shooting spitballs to see what sticks.

    Was that a Charlie Chaplin head in Ford's office next to the piano player or Hitler? Did I imagine its eyes moving/blinking when they walked in and past it?
     
  5. Commodore

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    you can tell this show was shot over several years with lots of footage pieced together, it feels disjointed at times

    so from what I gather

    - some hosts (Dolores) are programmed not to even use fake guns
    - memories from past scenario versions are creeping into Dolores' present day (gun in dresser drawer, getting shot vs escaping)
    - wasn't clear if her escaping to find William is a memory of a past scenario. If it was, he could still be The Man in Black
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    single action revolver fired from an uncocked position then shot again without being recocked

    show is now literally unwatchable
     
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    The mechanics of an old handgun absolutely prevented me from enjoying or even keeping my eyes open for any period of time for this show. How can any amount of acting, writing, or production overcome such a critical mistake in an artificial world!?
     
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    Ha exactly. In a show with robot cowboys.
     
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    My initials thoughts:

    Overall: Seems like for the first time they attempted to answer more questions than they posed to let everyone catch up that was confused. Right down to why we interview the hosts naked, lol. Except for Delores, who remains clothed even when Ford interviews, sup wit dat. So less to think about this episode.

    Is William the man in Black:
    Director cuts all but confirmed the theory that man in black is Williams. Everytime they said let's go back to the beginning we cut from Man in Black to William. Either an attempt to mislead us, or more likely confirming the theory and honing us in on it.

    Consciousness: Arnold was working on it from the outset, so it's a strong possibility at this point inspite of Fords pish poshing that it could never work. Ford thought he was brilliant. The pyramid to consciousness starts with memory and we are getting a lot of that so far. Not sure what Ford erased off the board, want to see that. I am a little confused how to reconcile Ford giving the hosts memory code, or reverie code, but hating the fact they might be human too. Same confusion exists with Bernard who seems to be interested in Delores humanity, but he's a programmer who wants to forget things and likes perfection.

    Arnold: Think we all got the feeling he is still alive somewhere in the park. I don't see him as sabotaging the hosts, or as being the man in black, but think he might now be what all the hosts are searching for in terms of their maker, leader.

    Ford: A little harsh there on the hosts, cutting one across the face like he didn't care at all. They are not Human. That is strange to me that he did that. I reckon if they did kill his partner, that's reason enough, but overall I got the feeling he loves his hosts and their depth... until now.

    The hunt for the Stray Host:
    That woman was real b****y to the security guy for two people that probably have to make these rundowns together more often than not. She's a severely sarcastic woman. Not sure why the celestial markings are important unless they are off world, but that seems unlikely. Stray was shot in the head, so MIB clearly got to him.

    Bernard and Delores: A little to re-cappy and repetitive to open and close show, but I reckon u have to do some of that in a series. Bernard is hard to figure out as he's a programmer who seems to be interested in their evolution, which is somewhat a contradiction to his character's adherence to perfection. I didn't realize my rabbit hole comment last week would actually come to fruition with the book being handed to Delores to read. Boom! Someone on the internet pointed out that her costume looks exactly like Alice in Wonderland too.

    Delores talks to who: read that Delores only gives the secret phrase to certain hosts, not to Teddy, and I would agree, that's damn interesting. Who is she stretching out with and why...

    Delores Home: I will pat myself on the back here. I noticed her home and run up the hill to it look nearly identical to the famous painting by Wyeth in episode one, "Christina's World", which depicts muted colors and inner grief. I thought it eerily similar. And Nolan confirmed this was indeed true this week. I got one!

    Are they all in VR, and buried in an apocalyptic world:
    Seems less likely given Bernards call home. And the fact that the top level of the facility clearly has air access, However, all these levels, and with sublevel 183 being like a dark mall, it's still viable, but only hanging on by a thread.
     
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    Also just thought that,

    Wyatt is a concoction of Arnold: Saw a lot of similarities between the Wyatt backstory and Arnold. And this might also indicate that Bernard has realized for a long time that Ford's narratives are more less him putting his own life story into the park.
     
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    Lol, perfect

    Maybe they thought fanning would be too hard for the guests, so made everything double action and not period accurate. :)
     
  12. LosPollosHermanos

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    didn't like this last episode too much.
    I wonder how that dude and commodore go about muttering their miserable existence day in and out.
     
  13. Kevooooo

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    I was incredibly bored this episode, and even turned it off with 20 min left to go to bed. Finished it yesterday and was satisfied with the ending. But most of the episode was very slow and sappy.
     
  14. LosPollosHermanos

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    I agree. Need to pick up the pace.
     
  15. whiskeyred

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    I think Arnold could very well still be alive in the park and the MIB is looking for him. Would explain why he has immunity to do whatever he wants.

    Especially seeing a more sinister side to Ford this past episode, and Ford's office? I thought that was pretty damn creepy all the stuff that was in it.
     
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    My only issue so far is that these names does not translate to their faces. Who is Williams and why is he also the Man in Black wrecking the park?
     
  17. larsv8

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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475784/

    William is blonde hair guy who was propositioned for sex by a welcome android prior to entering the park with his friend.

    Some people are trying to theorize that the show is deceiving you by showing scenes in non linear order, or in different time periods. Thus some people theorized that the Man in Black was William, but 30 years later, as William and the MIB seemingly have not crossed paths.

    I don't think that works because Delores has a vision of the MIB in the barn, then kills the bandit, then stumbles into Williams campsite, however again, stumbling into the camp could be due to something completely different, if the original theory is correct.
     
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    Not just that, but I doubt all these hosts would be the exact same in terms of capabilities and roles 30 years ago, right?
     
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    Yeah, it seems like they have been upgraded various times over the years. In the first episode, you see Hopkins speaking with an old host who's much more robotic than the current incarnation.
     
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