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Hillary Clinton 2016: Stronger Together

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JeffB, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Space Ghost

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    If there is a total domination, I do.
     
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    When Obama nominated a centrist to the court, what did the GOP senate do again?
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    Uhh yes, the Republicans would love to absolutely control the government, just as the Democrats. And no, I do not think it would be healthy for the Republicans to have absolutely control. The Republicans are the party of "I have no idea". Sometimes having 'no idea' is worse than having a bad idea. I would probably support Republicans if they actually provided so policies instead of deferring to 'the free market'.

    I've unfortunately lived in rural America conservative utopia much of my adult life. I have seen first hand what its like of 'having no plan'. They complain of terrible utilities and services (internet). They complain there are no jobs. However they hate progression and completely reject any advancement. They cheer when Wal-Mart moves in then complain the next day when it puts the inefficient mom-and-pop stores out of business.

    On the other hand, who in their right mind would want to live in inner city liberal utopia??? Progression gone bad.
     
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  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Hillary with a 9 point lead in Ohio which starts early voting today.
     
  5. Ubiquitin

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    Early voting in Ohio starts today. Definitely will help out Clinton.

    I am hopeful Trump loses badly so the GOP can pick itself back up and get the reigns back from this angry coalition.
     
  6. Deckard

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    With all due respect, Space Ghost, where were you prior to the lamented death of Justice Scalia, when the Roberts Court was busy tossing long established law into the dumpster. Example? Declaring corporations "people," so they could toss huge amounts of money at politicians, unfettered by campaign finance laws that had taken decades to get in place, laws that were at least slowing the purchase of our democracy by corporate America and the billionaire class. Laws that most of the Americans who were aware of this danger to our democracy hoped would be strengthened, not thrown away by a slim majority on the SC ignoring established law. Were you here throwing strong words around about how the Supreme Court needed "balance?" Strong words about how the Roberts Court had lurched far to the Right and were damaging our democracy? I don't recall you complaining about that little nugget. To be fair, I may have missed it.
     
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    I'm an unapologetic liberal and I completely agree with the text above in bold.

    This country is much better off with at least two competent and measured political parties. I believe strongly that my core set of beliefs, the ones that make me a liberal, are the correct ones... but I believe even stronger that every check should have a balance, every important issue should be weighed and argued from multiple perspectives and that either party operating unchecked by the other will lead to disaster... and quickly.

    Hopefully, Trump's only success this November is that he shocks the Republican party back to it's roots or at least splinters into two distinct factions... with the reasonable centrists we all knew in decade's past as one of those two.
     
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  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The toothpaste is out of the tube. Open racism, sexism and xenophobic nationalism is here to stay. Look at Mike Cernovich on twitter. 125K followers. He's an Alt right, nazi face. They are openly planning on attacking the GOP in 2018 with plan #REV18.
     
  9. mtbrays

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    Unfortunately, Trump is the nadir of everything Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc. have been courting for years. Even after he's gone, they'll still be there with their craven, winner-take-all approach to politics.
     
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    This will hopefully be the worst election in our lifetimes.

    Can't wait until it's over. Have early registration penciled in already. My vote used to be simply for policies, not ya know, the actual salvation of the country.

    The GOP needs to understand the loophole that was created with Palin. Both parties have nutjobs, the key difference is that the nutjobs in the Democratic party can't be lumped together so easily in one giant basket like they can with the Republicans. The population of said nutjobs is so large and have so much in common that it was easy for someone like Trump to come in and essentially kidnap the entire party. Whilst this number of folks isn't large enough the win a general election (thank goodness) it is definitely large and crazy enough to win the Republican ticket.

    I liked McCain a lot, I just think he ran at the wrong time and made a terrible error in his VP Choice (which led to the events of now). Hoping in 4 years the conservatives pick someone like that and we can have a real election again.
     
  12. mtbrays

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    Yep, the most effective way to marginalize these people will be to ignore them and quit letting their media bubble be an apparatus of the party. I know people like to claim MSNBC is "just as bad," but that network does not have nearly the same amount of sway over the Democratic party as Fox News does over the Republicans. Preeminent conservative-leaning publications - National Review, Foreign Policy, the Wall Street Journal, the Arizona Republic, the Dallas Morning News, etc. - have denounced Trump but Fox continues to let him call in every morning and set the day's crazy agenda. As long as this plurality of voters is allowed to continue setting the party's course, it'll never govern nationally again.

    As President Obama said in his recent New York Magazine interview, "I see a straight line from the announcement of Sarah Palin as the vice-presidential nominee to what we see today in Donald Trump, the emergence of the Freedom Caucus, the tea party, and the shift in the center of gravity for the Republican Party. Whether that changes, I think, will depend in part on the outcome of this election, but it’s also going to depend on the degree of self-reflection inside the Republican Party." Palin was the know-nothing can of worms opened and validated on a national scale. Her stupidity was given equal weight to thoughtful policy discussion by the media and the pride she exhibited in being oblivious or hostile to the idea of cooperative government is now embodied by Trump and his voters.

    What's saddest of all is how Republican officials mistake the forest for the trees here: there are not enough Trump voters out there to win a national election, but there are enough to put GOP seats in jeopardy. Until they stop catering to this plurality, they'll continue to be on the wrong side of electoral math.
     
  13. RedRedemption

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    At the end of the day it boils down to this.

    Assuming the majority support relative moderates. When/if your moderate party loses, who do you want to take the reigns? Moderates across the river or the extremists down the road in looneyville. Killing off the GOP would open up the doors to the Green Party and the Trump Fascists actually having a chance in any given election.
     
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    Stronger Together, as long as it's without you guys.
     
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    This guy is either naive or small minded to assume Hillary is the only person using those tactics to win. What a stereotypical dead end Bernie b**** who just want politics to be nice and easy but will hold their breaths at the slightest inconvenience or contradiction.

    Political operates are "mean people". They script interviews just like what Donald does and admits with his "impromptu call-in". As lawyers, they find every legal trick, loophole, and exploit to win just as Obama did like when he out hustled his political opponents with arcane rules and deadlines to remove them off the ballot. It's basically confirming what people complain about with Washington politics.

    Good thing Donald is a xenophobic, misogynist 70 year old man-child or the Soviets would win by a landslide.
     
  16. RocketsLegend

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    It's sad that you think a career politician who has sold favors to the wealthy at the expense of the poor really cares about you.
     
  17. Deckard

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    What is sad is that you are such an amazingly uninformed young fellow with no apparent interest in anything but the latest unadulterated garbage put out by Trump's operatives and his barely educated followers. I would feel sorry for you soaking in your ignorance, but you are too pathetic to care about. You've gone so round the bend that it borders on madness, with all respect due. Your parents should keep a closer eye on you, in my humble opinion.
     
  18. RocketsLegend

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    My parents hate Hillary and are voting for Trump
     
  19. Deckard

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    I was attempting to give them the benefit of the doubt. Still, they are your parents. I won't say anything negative about them, unless they post here, of course. Thank god, I was brought up by two FDR Democrats, my late father a university department chair for over 30 years, both brought up during the Great Depression and married at the outbreak of WWII, shortly before Dad enlisted in the Navy, where he saw combat before it was over, something he didn't have to do, but volunteered for. He was able to go to college after the war only because of the GI Bill, a government program. You know, one of those evil government things your party loves to make up crap about. I am so very, very glad I am not you.
     
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    Eventually you'll get out into the world, out from under the umbrella of your upbringing. It happens to everyone in their late-teens to twenties. Try to open your mind, who knows, you might learn something.
     

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