This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

If the choice was roll the dice on Osweiler, or bring back some veteran retread with limited upside, the Texans made the right choice. I don't care how well Fitz, Hoyer, etc., do elsewhere - if those guys are your QB, you have no present, no future. The Texans may soon be joining that group - but not yet.

 

Agreed. Not to mention, can you imagine the forum if we brought in a Shaun Hill or even Sam Bradford..? everyone would have erupted that we were too stupid to get Osweiler, where he would be 4-1 in Denver right now and everyone would be wishing we had him.

 

Plenty of teams with rookies seem to be doing ok...including the team that let Osweiler leave

 

Actually, their rookie didn't look very good and he's 0-1 as a starter.

 

The future might not be better, but you may have a better present...at a fraction of the cost.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but the Osweiler deal could very well have moved the franchise back at least 2-3 years...which means we would have been better off holding on to Hoyer for another year until we can draft or sign another QB (if Savage isnt the guy).

 

There is no scenario in which Brian Hoyer is a better present.

And you and Mr. Clutch need to stop going all Trump on the Texans' salary cap. The Osweiler deal - which, we need to remember, is exactly five games old - hurts them, cap-wise, for two years. And if he's not demonstrably better by season's end, given that he would have (presumably) 23 career starts under his belt, they'll have a good idea what they have and which direction they need to go.

If he's not better than this the rest of the year, they'll explore their options next offseason. There's nothing blocking them from doing so.

 

Siemian, who everybody laughed at, has played well and should be back.

 

2 years of sucking, then what?

Overpay whatever QB comes available? Finally draft someone in the top 3 rounds?

Really not a fan of the "just 2 years" argument.

 

I'm not a fan of Osweiler either, but the team spinning it's wheels punting at the position with journeymen was just as bad. Coaches are married to the quarterbacks, especially the QB whisperer types. Procrastinating on picking a prospect is just as wasteful in the long term, both in talent, and determining whether or not this is a good head coach to begin with.

 

Nobody expected Brock to be all world. We all know his price was hiked due to the fact that good free agent QBs aren't just available anymore and the Texans shouldn't have gambled on being able to draft a QB.

What we're not talking about is Lamar Miller. Dude's longest run is 15 yards. Longest catch is 11 yards. Zero touchdowns.

 

The Texans

Sure it is...we'd still be at worst, 3-2...with possibly better showings against the Pats and VIkings.

And just because the Osweiler deal locks us in for "only 2 years"...doesnt make anything better. That's two years lost in finding/developing someone. Heck, if not for Osweiler, we could be getting a better look at Savage to see if he could do anything. And if Savage wasnt the answer, then we have zero financial commitment to a player moving forward. If Osweiler doesnt pan out, it's a huge fail, regardless of how you want to slice and dice the "2 year" argument...thats two years of falling behind in finding a franchise QB and money that could have been spent in other areas to strengthen other weaknesses (defense, OL, depth).

 

Only 5.5M cap hit this year...14 million guaranteed over 4 years...poor run blocking. Should we expect more from him? Sure...but he's one of the smallest issues for this team. We need better center and guard run blocking for him to make more of an impact in the running game...and a little bit more imagination on offense for him to be effective in the passing game.

 

Which brings us to the main problem, the offensive line. They are not getting it done in the trenches.

Play calling is another major issue. We all can see the limitations in this offense so why not go uptempo. We did have some success last season whenever we sped up the game.

 

So are you saying we are not being successful because of what we paid the quarterback.

Better protection from the line could help both Miller and Osweiler.

 

No chance. I know that you are one of two Hoyer fans in the world not directly related to him, but he'd have the Texans at 2-3 at best with absolute blowouts against the Vikings, Pats, and Chiefs. It's more likely that we'd be 1-4 because with Hoyer, we likely lose the Titans game too. I know you still overrate him, but you do realize that his team just got beat by the 3rd worst defense in the NFL with his team scoring the 2nd fewest points that team has given up this season right?

I get that your love for him might be blind, but c'mon man. You're better than that.

 

Of course. Money spent in one place is less money spent elsewhere. Brandon Brooks is a beast in run blocking.

Not that the Osweiler contract is the only bad contract. And draft busts play a role as well. The good teams have several quality players on rookie deals. It's not an accident the Seahawks have been consistently good after some very good drafts.

 

Who is the QB who won't be pressured? Biggest problem for Oz is his inaccuracy. Whatever his footwork is. He need to deliver the ball. If he can't, no amount of run game will help us.

Admittedly in the preseason Savage showed better touch on his ball placement. At times even while falling down.

 

The QB behind a competent O line with a good play call.

 

Very good point I'm starting to wonder the last time the Texans replaced their scouts. We're always quick to blame Rick Smith and Obrien but they've gotta be getting their information from somewhere.

 

Blaming the o-line again. Is this 2003?

The o-line is very poor. Injuries and no money to pay ben jones but the qb play is still bad. far worse than even I expected and I am a pessimist. The dude has sucked donkey balls so far.

dhop has missed some balls but he has caught some pretty crap balls also. The first down ball he had to jump out of the gym for is just one example.