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Second debate thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheRealist137, Oct 9, 2016.

  1. Dubious

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    CNN caught coaching focus group.
     
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    I'd argue he's already among us.

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  5. Space Ghost

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    Quit being a moron. You're making things up. First, if you buy from a brick and mortar store ANYWHERE and ANYTIME, regardless in person or if its online, they are required to run a background check because they are a DEALER. If you are a dealer and you are selling a gun, you are ALWAYS REQUIRED TO RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK.... again, it doesn't matter if its in person, in state out of state, online, or whatever fantasy nonsense you come up with. It doesn't matter if you're in the 18 states or the 32 states. Dealers. Always. Require. A. Background. Check. ALWAYS. PERIOD. Even if its online. You are wrong and you are misinformed.

    If you are selling your gun as a private individual (IE: NOT a dealer) AND you are selling to a private individual AND its in-state, you can sell a gun to ANYONE (exceptions such as knowing they are a criminal or felons) through ANY means. This means you can sell it in person, at a garage sale. At gun meets (your whole gun show obsession loophole) Through newspaper classifieds. Through online classified (your whole online classified obsession loophole), You can sell it on a boat. You can sell it with a goat. You can sell it with fears. Or while drink beers. This is federal law. Federal law has no stipulations on how private-to-private in-state transfers take place in ALL 50 states. Everything is fair game.

    Again (focus on this) individual states can set stricter guidelines on gun laws. You are getting all confused on state laws vs federal laws. 18 states have prohibited private-to-private in-state online transfers (among MANY other things). One state that prohibits this is California. Just because California prohibits this does not make it a loophole in Texas for doing this. What you are basically saying is if something is illegal in one state and non in another, then that other state has a 'loophole'. How ignorant is that?
     
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    Trump has no idea how to sound political. It is really hard to watch. I would guess things will start swinging even more HIllary's way after that nonsense that we saw last night and she even sucks.
     
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    Damn, she twitched bad when he got her by the p***y.
     
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    And you're not reading what anyone else wrote - that's the problem. You repeating what the law states is completely 100% irrelevant to whether there is a loophole in it or not. You have no idea what a loophole is, and for some inexplicable reason, you seem either unable or willing to explain what you believe the purpose of the law is in the first place.
     
  9. Big Uns

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    Wow, you are a special kind of slow.

    For you...real slow like.

    The point I am making is that you can, purchase a gun, without a criminal background check.

    Ok stop right there. You continue to poor paragraphs of bullshit outlining the fact that this is what I am saying.

    Second, it is a loophole as the law was not intended to be taken advantage of in this way. The provision was to allow your grandpa Cletus, to sell your dumb ass his gun with out a background check.

    You though, need a background check regardless. I wouldn't trust you drive a car much less own a gun.
     
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    I doubt Trump picked up too many new votes last night, that is the only thing that matters at this point.
     
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    A favorite tactic of the ammosexualz: dilute and deconstruct, parsing the issue with circular logic in an effort to distract. It's absolutely a loophole just like it is at a gun-show. I can set up a table of my wares and sell guns at gun show to any Tom, Dick or Jihadi and don't even need to get their name. Even better, in the unlikely event the ATF flags me, they have to prove intent to profit or act as a dealer for anything to happen to me for selling guns at 1 or a 100 a month. Its the same concept as in State person to person sales either physically or through the mail.
    I'm sure I'll be labeled a libtard anti-gunner even though I've held a CR&R FFL and own 25 plus long guns/shotguns/pistols and regularly hunt/target shoot. I've bought and sold guns myself person-to-person numerous times and would have NO problem complying with increased scrutiny on these transactions. Person to person and shill buyers are how guns get in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
     
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    Can someone clarify Trump's Canadian Healthcare comment? I thought that the system is working for them. I haven't heard of many Canadians having to come down to the US for treatments and what not.
     
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    FFS there is NO loophole. There is NO FEDERAL LAW stating how a private-to-private in-state transaction should be handled. NONE. Its very explicit. The federal law does not require a background check for ANY private-to-private in-state transactions. You're asking me to explain a law THAT DOES NOT EXIST. Please explain what law you want me to explain?

    You are confusing state laws with federal laws. You are confusing in-state transactions with out-of-state transactions. The federal law leaves the states to regulate their own in-state gun laws when it comes to private-to-private transactions. When a firearm sale crosses a state line, it then falls under federal guideline, which ALWAYS 100% requires a background check.

    For some odd reason, you think a gun law in one state is a loop hole in another state that does not have that law.
     
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    The Canadian system is not all that it is cracked up to be. Often times it takes a long time to get a procedure scheduled and completed.

    No system is perfect, some of the concerns over universal healthcare are justified; the question is whether or not it is better than the system we have now and before Obama Care.
     
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    The best reaction in this gif comes from Trump's own son.
     
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    At least you get the concept. The issue is not whether the transaction takes place online or at a gun show. The federal law can require background checks at a gunshow and online and it still will not prevent you from selling 100 guns a month. That is why its insane to argue over the term loophole.

    Yes, there is a loophole on what exactly defines a dealer and yes, it should be explicitly defined. Requiring background checks at gun shows and online sales will not stop a person from selling 100 guns a month as private sales.
     
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    People will always find something to complain about, and things can always be better. However, ask any Canadian if they would trade their healthcare system for ours, and they will laugh in your face.
     
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    The vast majority of Canadian people enjoy and like their healthcare system. Trump is just misleading his people, like always.
     
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  19. Space Ghost

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    I get that you want 100% background checks. I am not exactly opposed to that idea. Im not going to get into a debate about that.

    However you are stating there is a provision ... to WHAT? There can not be a provision if there is not a law written. You are redefining a private-to-private transaction as "selling your gun to grandpa Cletus". If you have a problem with in what defines a dealer vs a private seller, then deal with that. However, a private-to-private was not meant to be just for friends and family. If you are selling guns for profit, regardless of the quantity, you should be required to be a dealer. I absolutely agree there is a loophole there.
     
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    I think the US presidential debates are the only debates in the world in which you can ask candidates to openly discuss and have them openly discuss which countries we should bomb next. Especially brown countries - Hillary definitely has a bomb-the-brown-countries thing going on.
     

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