This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

I dont put all the blame on the receiver...the QB has his part in it as well. He could have taken a sack, thrown it away, or thrown it accurately (gasp). And you're naming two plays and I really dont even care about those interceptions. Im talking about 40% of his pass plays where he leaves a lot to be desired. He's struggling to get to average status.

 

Fair enough, I'm not really going to argue with you about it. I truly don't care if some people don't get it. Either eventually you'll come around or you won't....and it won't make any difference no matter which happens.

 

I dont even think Hey Now! thinks Brock has played well this year.

Table for 1 please: name is Bobby.

 

I'm perfectly fine with everyone else being wrong if that's how it ends up. There was a HUGE circle jerk going on at BRB a few years back with just about everyone convinced that Teddy Bridgewater should be the first pick in the draft.....I'm used to large numbers of people thinking stupid things. In no way does the number of people thinking a stupid thing factor into my analysis.

 

I don't think he's played particularly well this year, but I think he shows subtle signs of great quarterback play. I think he's had flashes of foreshadowing himself into the upper half of QBs in the league, which is all we really need.

He's a gunslinger, which, to be honest, kind of caught me off guard. He's not afraid to throw the ball into tight windows. Because he's learning a completely new system, which, in my opinion, happens to be one of the more complex in the league, he's going to have some bumps along the way. Because he has that gunslinger mentality, I expect his interceptions to be higher than normal during this phase. This is what does not worry me so much about them. I feel like it's probably why O'Brien isn't so worried about them, either.

Think about his picks. Most of the have been cases of him just trying to sling the ball into a tight window and create too much out of nothing. I think only two of his six weren't. Had he not thrown them, we would have potentially won each game by a few more points. His stats would also be 5-2 TD-Int.

5-2 TD-Int for Brock with a 3-1 record and fans, as well as national media, are singing a completely different tune.

Yes our offense isn't fully clicking. We all know that. That'll come as Brock starts to gain better command of the offense. The interceptions will drop, too.

The positive thing is that we're 3-1 without having an offense that's firing on all cylinders. That's better than most of us would have thought.

I heard some people compare Osweiler to Rivers. They were talking about the Texans comparing the two of them. Different deliveries, but have the tools to overcome them. Rivers' first two seasons, his completion percentage was nearly identical to Brock's career completion percentage.

Then, his third year and on, Rivers has been around 66%, which is pretty good.


Give Brock time. I fully expect him to start putting together full games like the first quarter against Tennessee or the third preseason game by season's end, or early next year.

 

Former Safety for the Steelers Ryan Clark and Mark Schlereth were both on ESPN talking about how they saw throws from Brock in the Patriots game that made them think Brock might be a great QB down the road. That's what the Texans saw too.

 

^Peter king too, he even did the adjusted Tds he'd would have without the dropped tds and how people would be singing a different tune.

It's funny that the people that say they want to give brock a chance and are willing to be patient just aren't. It's four games.
A game or two after the bye week, that's when it would be appropriate for the negative nancys to pop up full force and deservedly so.

 

To the same extent you get the over hype ala Case Keenum's first start against the Chiefs back in the day.

As Texan fans we need to learn to be more patient at times.

 

Time will tell about Brock, but the excuses regarding Hopkins need to stop.

"player A throws to B then tips to C"... blah, blah, bullish

 

I think the Peter King thing talked above is from here:

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2016/10...-to-see-more-consistency-from-brock-osweiler/

 

Even with Brock, they are under the cap by enough that they absolutely could have signed another OL, including Okung. To blame him exclusively is pushing an agenda, nothing more.

The Texans addressed their OL. The signed/drafted three players, two of which they slotted as starters.

 

This idea that Brock is a rookie needs to STOP. This is Brock's 5th season in the NFL and he is 26 years old. He isn't the equivalent of a rookie.

 

Playing and watching film are the same exact thing? Same evolution takes place correct?

 

He has advantages over a rookie; I think that played a role in the Texans' interest as they've clearly shown no inclination to want to groom a rookie QB. But he's still only made 11 career starts (in two different offensive systems) - how do years and/or age augment that in any meaningful way?

Also, he's 25 - or, two years older than Carson Wentz.

 

Who's exclusively blaming him...signing him and/or any other player restricts the team from filling other holes. It's just common sense. Nobody is mad at Brock for this.

 

I am willing to give Brock the benefit of the doubt for now. We keep hearing how complicated O'Brien's offense is. So I expect to see improvement from Osweiler as the season goes on. Now if he is still throwing multiple picks every game by the end of the year, then I am going to start getting worried.

 

These are all great points. I largely agree. Brock's gunslinger mentality was there with his first start in Denver. One of the issues the fans had with him is that he is always forcing the ball into tight windows. He doesnt think about the possibility that he might have a better option somewhere else. This could be good...or it could be bad. Brock has an arm on him, but one of his weaknesses has been accuracy...and when you try to force the ball into tight windows and arent very accurate, that can be a bad combo. Accuracy is more important than arm strength, so I really hope it's something that Brock can improve upon...even though it might be one of the harder things to improve upon. Again, Im more than willing to wait and be patient, Im not expecting him to be a top half of the league QB...but, from what I have seen, he hasnt changed from start #1 to start #11...I dont even care if he's not a top 20 QB by the end of the season, I just want to see marginal improvements here and there as the season wears on. I think he can do it.

 

Well, for starters... you:

 

Aren't we like 9 mil under cap?

Ok

 

And I followed that with "and thats okay"...teams have limited cap space...Brock, along with others, takes away that opportunity. And we opted for cheaper options at center and guard...We most definitely could not have signed Brock along with 3 solid OL. So in that sense, Brock's contract prevented us from shoring up the OL. If Brock cant give us more than Fitz/Hoyer level play over the course of the entire season, then the money spent on him could have been used elsewhere. Im not saying we shouldnt have signed Brock, but any free agent money spent on one player or five players, prevents the team from signing others. This isnt anything that everyone doesnt already know...not sure why you keep acting like we could have signed Brock, along with any other players we would want.