This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

I'm not defending that deal/contract. Don't have a strong opinion either way.

I will say Bradford is getting paid less and far outperforming Brock. That said they had to give up very high draft picks. So in the end no clue if this is a good deal. If they make a deep playoff run they will probably think it's worth it. If they miss the playoffs or lose in the first round it's a disaster.

 

double post

 

We're getting further and further away from what you initially said... He threw 6 INTs and lost one fumble in 8 games. Over the course of a 16-game schedule, that's 13 total turnovers - or, four fewer turnovers than Manning interceptions (17 - in 9 games). He was not turnover prone, and was less turnover prone than Manning corpse.

So after four starts and two losses, you thought to yourself, Matt Schaub has sure earned that huge contract extension the Texans gave him?...

Schaub wasn't a free agent. Very few 25-year old QBs with potential hit the market.

Oh, ok - so, how many, beyond Osweiler, do the Texans have?...

He's yet to make 16 NFL regular season starts - but, unlike a player taken in the draft, he has NFL experience/success. Are you still going to argue you can find that from a draft pick?...

 

He's making "less" only because he was traded and the Eagles have to absorb his signing bonus ($11MM). Bradford's base salary ($7MM) is actually more than Brock's ($4MM), and had he stayed with Philadelphia, he would have had a higher cap hit ($12.5 MM v $12MM). Same for next year, too - would've been $22.5MM v. $19MM.

 

Bradford in his history in the NFL prior to the dumbed down offense the Vikings were running was rated as one of the worst QB's in the NFL's last two decades. I don't think we are seeing the "real" Sam Bradford.

 

LOL c'mon Hoyer fan, you've just gotta drop that and move on or you'll force me to point out that he had those numbers largely in garbage time and against the worst teams on the schedule. In games against quality opponents he was either thankfully injured or he got benched before embarrassing himself too much.....with of course exception of the playoff game where BOB left him in there to stink the place up. Had he not been injured during the season and benched during the middle of the first Chiefs game, the same thing would have happened.

I don't get where you crazy kids come up with the idea that he did a good job last season, but it's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

To add to your point, no one would have picked Bradford over Osweiller six months ago. Brock's TD-INT ratio and his QBR were better than Sam's last season. I can't imagine the outrage we would have seen on this board if the Texans instead went after Sam Bradford.

 

Oh, funny, given that Brock hasnt been able to do what Hoyer did against "the worst teams on the schedule"...when we've faced the Bears and Titans, 2 of the very worst in the NFL. Maybe you grade Osweiler as critically as you grade Hoyer, then you'd actually give yourself some credibility...however, you like to push your agenda and narrative to the point where it becomes insufferable.

 

LOL fair enough, I'll just let you go on believing that nonsense and stop engaging you. I can look up PFF numbers so I pretty much know every position you'll ever take anyway. Have a good day.

 

You dont grade Hoyer and Brock the same way (bc you still want to claim that your Mallett > Hoyer stance was the right one)...and when you are blaming Brock's play on an elite NFL WR, it just becomes laughable.

 

Yeah I really do.....but I get that you don't understand that because to you all there is to do is look at what PFF has to say. That's why this conversation really shouldn't be happening.

When I blame a WR for causing interceptions, it's because the WR caused 3 interceptions. When I blame a QB for a bad throw, it's because they made a bad throw. I know, radical stuff.

I don't really expect you to understand, so it's okay if you don't. Maybe one day you'll figure it out, but till then, let's not clutter up the board. Just post your opinion that PFF gave you and we can move on.

 

Also, you said that Hoyer had 3 interceptions due to tipped passes, that number is actually 1 according to FO and their "adjusted interceptions" numbers.

 

I know you have a really difficult time trying to save face with Mallett...lol. Just let it go and start judging players without an agenda. You'll be more respected around here.

And PFF is a nice guide...20+ teams use their data as well. They have their positives, but also some weaknesses. All in all, it's a nice supplement...and theyve proven themselves many times over, so it becomes even more hilarious when they crap over your opinions.

 

No need to argue. Flat out crazy that anyone thinks Hoyer is a viable or better option than what we have. Against decent defenses he was easily one of the worst QB's in the NFL.
Yikes.

 

Yes I was very happy with schaub performance relative to the price we paid early in the season. Not so much with Brock.

And yes I understand free agent QBs don't grow on trees, that doesn't justify over paying them.

So is osweiler pretty much a rookie or not? That defense is used when he plays poorly, but when his contract is brought up then it's about his experience.

 

Since you're quoting FO...they have Hoyer ranked 20th in DVOA last season and 19th QBR. By every measure known to man...Hoyer had a decent regular season. But you just cant stop pushing your narrative...it makes you look bad. Let it go.

 

Nobody is saying Hoyer is a better option than what we have. But Hoyer made 4 million dollars...and Brock, up to just these 4 games, hasnt played at the level Hoyer played last season. I definitely expect that to change, but the Texans would be at least 3-1 with 28 other QBs in the NFL. Our record is due to Fuller and the defense and has little to do with our QB.

That better change...and I think it will.

 

Agreed, it's just incoherent babble from that guy.....and for whatever reason he thinks Mallett and Hoyer is relevant to a conversation about Osweiler. Some people just don't get it and I guess that's okay.

 

Because free agents are never overpaid?....

It's not a terribly complicated equation. He had valuable camp/practice/mentoring experience that an actual drafted rookie would not. However, in terms of game action, which is really the single most meaningful method for developing a young QB, he has now started all of 11 career games. As a point of comparison, despite having been in the league two years longer, Brock has 25 fewer career starts than Derek Carr.

If, however, you look at their first 11 career starts:
Carr: 59.11%; 2,249 yds; 5.5 YPA; 14 TD; 9 INT; 76.7 QBR

Osweiler: 61.4%; 3,075 yds; 6.8 YPA; 16 TD; 12 INT; 82.4 QBR

Man, I bet you were bailing on all your Derek Carr stock after those first 11 starts, right? And Carr didn't switch offensive systems after 7 starts.

 

Now that's hilarious.