This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

There were guys in here hating on James Harden last year when he was putting up 29/7/7 prime MJ/Lebron numbers.

The Packer board had been ******** on Aaron Rodgers all year until the Lion game.

Smh.

 

Not really...your analogy is small ball...You cant slowly advance forward waiting for a home run in the NFL...because as you slowly advance forward, you lose many pieces in the process bc of the hard cap and high turnover. The Astros can slowly build a team from within...and that's how you win in baseball for the long term. The NFL requires constant "home runs" to avoid down years....unless you have an elite coaching staff.

But yes, if the Texans keep hitting on rookies and FAs, they'll be okay.

 

I said I find it unlikely that he wont improve....meaning, I expect him to improve. You're not reading that right.

 

Raises hand

I wasn't posting here yet, but the 12 wins were relatively weak. The massacre against BAL was maybe the franchise's best victory, but we were mostly slaughtered against good competition. Our good wins were mostly close. Coincidently, that's exactly how the playoffs played out. The best team ('11) suffered bad luck with Schaub's injury.

Did you really have 12-win confidence going into the playoffs?

Colts were getting 1st round byes when they won.

 

The reason he does so well year after year is his all-world QB routinely plays for well-below market value. His cap hit has never been above $15MM.

Since 2011, he's ranked 8th, 16th, 5th, 11th, and 14th in cap hit. But performance-wise, has he not been among the 2 or 3 best QBs in the game over that same stretch? That helps mitigate bad contracts/decisions. He also hoards draft picks and throws them against the wall. Seriously, check out his drafts some time - not that great.

 

You're right; I did misread. Sorry.

 

Fans have the right to complain about complacent mediocrity. It doesn't mean that the people that are complaining are not fans or do not care.

Honestly I don't think that fans should be satisfied with consistent mediocrity. Obviously for every very good team, there is a very bad one........ but when years go by and things remain the same, mediocre; then fans should voice their displeasure.

 

Thank you for proving my point. No matter what happens a certain segment of the Texans fanbase will devalue any accomplishment and play up any failure.

 

Well that's exactly my point. I agree with what you said about Belichik and the Texans are doing the exact opposite.

We're paying our QB well over his performance (thus far) and trading away too many picks instead of hoarding them

 

The problem is that those fans don't seem to know what "mediocrity" looks like....or even what the definition of the word means. When you have "fans" spinning 3 division titles in 5 years into "mediocrity", then you have a real problem.

 

I didn't expect Brock to be that good which is why I wasn't too excited for the contract.

And its very different from the Astros strategy. They hoarded cheap young guys with upside and draft picks instead of overpaying for guys. They'll pay (hopefully) for proven guys

 

My plan A was aways to draft a QB if you couldn't find a good one on a reasonable deal through free agency or trade a la schaub.

I was never on board with the Fitz/hoyer/mallet clown show

We had the option of drafting Carr, Garoppolo, Bridgewater (with a trade up), Prescott, Lynch.

That should be the comparison, not Fitzpatrick

 

No, I put EXACT value on it, then the playoffs proved it.

There's few 12-win teams in history who've been blown out 2nd round.

 

Remember when there was a QB that had 1 TD and 5 interceptions in their first 4 games and he was going to be the Texans savior and some called him "Aaron Rodgers 2.0"?

Yeah, some of the same people who continued to hype that guy up despite performances that make Osweiler look like an elite QB are the same people talking down Osweiler now. Kind of strange don't you think?

 

Bobby disagrees.

 

I do. Hopefully moving forward Nuk will play as well as the other receivers on the team and he won't cause so many interceptions.

 

The 2015 Division Title at 9-7 is similar to the 2007 and 2008 8-8 dead last and 3 of 4 finish mediocrity. You are using poor metrics to argue semantics. It makes a pointless exercise even more so.

I'd take the 2009 Frank Bush Texans over the 2015 group. They were actually able to score 34 points on the Pats.

 

I like what I'm seeing from Brock besides the interceptions of course. Duane looks like he'll play sunday. Hopefully better line play equates to better ball placement from Brock. He looked good in the 1st quarter. that 2nd quarter was ugly, when you have a chance to put your foot on teams' throats you must capitalize. Turnovers allow teams to hang around.

I think he needs a lot more reps in this offense. One thing I really enjoyed is his effort to get the ball to Tight Ends. That's new for us. I don't think the Brock to Hopkins connection is as big of a issue as some may assume. Hopkins is red zone threat, he's never been known as a burner, so he's also having trouble getting open against blanket coverages. I often see Brock staring down Nuk but he should only be doing this in the red zone. On the flip side, I also see Nuk open and Brock not even look at him. He needs to stop thinking too much about his primary read before the snaps and allow the plays to unfold. They'll iron the wrinkles out as the season go. The positive in this, is his ball distribution to all the other weapons.

Our defense is solid but won't be able to win games for us like the past years. We are going to have to score points and lots of them. We should be supporting Brock through his growing pains. Hopefully it'll all be worth it in the end. Rome was not built in 4 games.

 

There are never "good" QBs available for a "reasonable" price; that's fantasyland.

In terms of the draft... I don't think the powers that be wanted a rookie QB. Right or wrong, every QB move they've made hammers that point home, from Fitzpatrick to Mallett, Hoyer, Osweiler...

I'm ultimately fine with those guys being Brock's peers - but that wasn't the situation rezdawg created; he thought Osweiler should be compared to financial peers and then incorrectly listed players making twice as much as Osweiler. He's much closer, financially, to Ryan Fitzpatrick than any of the QBs he listed.