This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

Would you rather have Carr, Garoppolo, or Dak Prescott on small rookie deals or Osweiler on a big deal? And those aren't the only QBs we could have drafted.

 

Well because if those fans are constantly whiny and negative, it would make sense for them to find a team they actually like instead of sticking around just to complain every season. If even success is failure to you as a fan of a team, maybe you should find another team? Not talking about you in particular, but I think that's what he was suggesting.

 

If the team had, then those would be the QB's the same people whining about Osweiler would be whining about. The negativity isn't tied to reality in any way.

 

Well, it's not $6MM if he's on the team. And while you'd prefer not having it... $6MM is not a restrictive amount of dead cap space. They paid Matt Schaub $10.5MM in '14.

Two things to consider: 1) both Fitz and Hoyer were veteran QBs with many more NFL starts than Osweiler: Hoyer +7; Fitzpatrick +70. 2) imagine Fitz or Hoyer throwing a deep ball to Fuller and then ask yourself, stats aside, which of those three would you rather the Texans invest in? This is a markedly more diverse offense with Osweiler. Those two might be more efficient - but were severely limited. And BOB knew that going in - again, they had the starts/experience. He's still getting a feel for Osweiler; what he can and cannot do, etc.

Hold on... so, again - circling back: *that's* why he's being compared to Fitzpatrick (along with the obvious BOB/Texan ties). So first and foremost, a) let's stop over-inflating his salary, generally; b) stop judging him by it.

Why, if you're (I would say, fairly) giving him 8-10 weeks, are you huffing and puffing and declaring him a bust after 4 weeks?

 

Brock had all day to throw in the 1st Quarter.
And he shredded a good Titans defense.

Once the OL started sinking as did the QB play. Brock's weakness is footwork on the move or under pressure from the defense.

I have no problem with his second pic against the Titans because it was a good read. Just didn't execute. But I think if our OL can improve its pass blocking then you will see a better QB.

 

As it looks now Carr. In a year we could be saying Brock. Time will tell, but as soon as Mariota and Winston looked like pro bowlers they have turned in to below average QB's.

Time will tell.

 

If those people were wrong, the Texans would have had more of an impact in the playoffs. I think the Texans are the best team in the division...but what exactly does that mean? At this point, with an unbiased mind, I dont see us being able to compete with the likes of the Broncos or Patriots...thats not being negative. It's being real. Is it really an accomplishment to win the AFC South then lose in the first round of the playoffs? Until we can win a meaningful game against a top notch opponent, then gathering a bunch of wins against a weak schedule, like you've mentioned before, is pointless...no?

The Vikings game will be a very solid test for the Texans. If we are competitive in that game (losing is okay)...then I like our chances of winning a game in the playoffs. Showing no heart or competitive fire in that game...and winning the division is really just a weak trophy, because we are basically making the playoffs by default.

 

That's true, Brock could be better.

My issue is more the approach of this franchise, giving a guy big bucks when he's still essentially a rookie instead of just drafting a rookie locked up on a cheap deal. Can't win in this league mismanaging the cap.

 

How has signing Brock affected the cap?

What would we have done different?

 

Brocks cap hit over next few years is- 12, 19, 21, 20. In millions.

Derek Carr's is less than $2 million over the same period (of course he required using a draft pick, which we used on XSF).

Could have addressed the OL and LB with the extra money, for example.

For that matter, another contract that isn't too great is Lamar Miller's.

I firmly believe one of the reasons Belichik does so well year after year is that he limits bad contracts and draft picks.

 

THIS. If we saved the money and drafted one of those, this year, then we wouldnt have Nick Martin or maybe Braxton Miller. I know they are hurt right now, but this team needed to make a move at that position and they did. The money we gave him hasnt prevented us from doing anything yet. And if he doesnt play up to it, I bet he would renegotiate to help the team knowing he hasnt lived up. Until we lose out on someone due to cap mismanagement, people need to relax on what we are paying him.

 

Well we lost Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones then replaced them with cheaper Jeff Allen and Bergstrom (who I dont think has played)

 

Im not huffing and puffing that Osweiler is a bust. Ive never once said he's a bust...Ive said he hasnt performed very well...which he hasnt. He has to clean up his play quite a bit...he's erratic with his throws...and he forces the ball into areas/windows where he'd be better off avoiding. He has a gun slinger mentality, but he has to improve his accuracy if he wants to take that path as a QB. Im absolutely on board with the "let it rip" approach, but there has to be some thought process behind that, which Osweiler needs to work on before that really works. I'd expect and hope for improvement from him...and I have no issues with him messing up now and learning...if it means he actually learns from it. After week 3, he talked about how he'll clean up his game...then he goes into week 4 and does the same thing he said he'd fix. Only time will tell if he actually "gets" it.

I have always been happy with the decision to sign Brock...I know the team and offense was limited with Hoyer and Fitz. Brock gives us many more options on offense and can take the team to another level. My concern with Brock stems from the fact that I watched Osweiler in every game with Denver...and Im seeing him not improve on his weaknesses with every game this year. He has lots of strengths and lots of potential, but if he doesnt improve on his weaknesses, he's not going to help this team....and thus far, I havent seen him improve in areas where he needs to improve. Like I said...by week 10, if I can get marginal improvement, I'll take it. But, the arrow needs to be going in an upward direction in regards to his reads/decision making. If we dont get that by week 10, then I dont think we will see that from him at any point this season...and will have to hope that he can improve upon it in 2017.

Also, his deep ball has been much better than I expected...and the team needs to continue using his strength in that area. Week 1 and 2, we were opening it up quite a bit...then we've tapered the last two weeks, which doesnt make sense to me because that was an area where Brock was doing very well.

 

Brock took advantage of an unprecedented set of circumstances - 25-year old QBs with high upside and some NFL skins on the wall almost never reach free agency.

It was a perfect storm, and the Texans are rolling the dice. What did you want them to do in 2016? What were your plan As?

You are aware they're 3-1, right? And moving forward, that outlook is only true if he proves to not be any good. He's made mistakes - but he looks like a rookie to me. And, again: 3-1. With a two-game division lead.

You wanna know the difference between good and bad QBs - at least to me? Watch how smooth the good ones are; they don't rush, they don't get rattled - it's like they're moving in slow motion. Brock has flashed enough to think he can get to that level. Right now, he's moving 100 mph. But as he gets more comfortable in the offense, he'll settle down, press less - and those flashes will start to be more commonplace. I really do think he can get there.

Bottom line, I'd much rather watch him try to get there than sit through another season of FitzYatesWeedenHoyerMallet. I mean... come on...

 

You spelled Nick Martin wrong.

 

I would like to know everyone's expectation.

Did the Texans think they were getting an all pro QB from Day One? No they did not. They saw someone with big potential who has shown they can win big games with a defense. It seems like a low risk move, because if Brock doesn't work out by next year we can cut him and go after someone else. Our Defense will still be good, and our skill position guys will still be good because we have been focusing our draft on several positions.

The Jaguars and Titans have been investing first rounders in QB's for the last decade and have what to show for it? What have the Raiders done? They look great but lack talent defensively. One could argue that the Texans method is the way to go. Draft talent around the QB instead of focus your first round picks on the QB. Even if you hit a homerun, it may not win the game(see Colts).

I had this same discussion the other day when people were yapping for Lunhow's head years ago and now we have the best nucleus in all of baseball for the next several years where we will potentially see multiple playoff runs.

Be patient. It will pay off. The Texans are doing it the right way.

They aren't trying to hit a homerun.

They are playing small ball, advancing forward and maintaining potential for a homerun.

 

Football doesnt work the same way baseball does...the Texans dont have a massive window like the Astros. If only we had club control of Hopkins, McKinney, Clowney, Merci, Kareem, Bouye, etc...for 6-8 more years, that would be great. Teams dont play small ball in the NFL...you have to hope your draft picks and FA signings are homeruns. And if not, you have to hope your coaching can cover those deficiencies until the next draft/FA period.

 

Rick has been drafting well.

He's improved QB play away from fielding an AFC contender.

 

You also failed to understand my analogy but either way, Texans are doing it the right way.

 

And...

How would characterize finding it unlikely that Osweiler will improve?

I just find Texan fan perplexing... they hated Schaub - despite his being a top 10 passer. Then, when he imploded and the team turned to objectively worse options, no one admitted, "You know, maybe Schaub wasn't so bad..." Now, we have a 25-year old QB with a big gun and some playmaking ability who has flashed some big-time talent, and even though we spent two years watching FitzWeedenYatesHoyerMallet, no one seems to have any appreciation for potential and upside. Nor, apparently, for a 3-1 record with a two-game division lead.

I wonder, sometimes, why people cheer for the franchise; they seem perpetually pissed.