This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

I'm perfectly fine with it if everyone else is foolish enough to think Hoyer was better than Osweiler. Hell Hoyer had already lost his job at this point last season due to being inexcusably horrible at football.

If everyone is as awful as you seem to be when it comes to QB performance analysis then maybe there's no point in talking about QB's on this board. I don't believe that though, I think there's probably at least a few posters here competent enough to have a good conversation about QB performance with.

 

Yes, but that 6MM still hits us...it's even worse if Brock isnt on the team. We cant just ignore that, it's a part of the equation.

Yes, 12MM is reasonable, but he still needs to improve his play. We paid Hoyer 5MM last season and a few million to Fitzpatrick the year before...they both hit about 90-95 on the QB rating scale. I would think the 12MM should buy us a performance close to that or better over the course of the season. Yes, I understand QB rating isnt an amazing indicator of performance, but it does give some representation of how a QB plays. Im hopeful that we will get there, but anything short of what those two did for us, and 12MM is overpaying. And comparing Brock's contract to Kap...that's not a win for the Texans, it's just a massive loss for the 49ers.

I agree that he's not egregiously overpaid for this season alone. And over the next year or two, his contract will look better as other QBs renew their contracts. However, that doesnt give him the leash of underperforming. He still has a lot to prove to make his contract look okay...for this year, and specially for next year. I still see the exact same QB I saw in Denver (I watch every Broncos game)...and really no improvement in his reads and decision making from last season through the first 4 games of this season. Yes, small sample size, but his tendencies are the same. And that's the part that's troubling. He had his best game of the year during week 1 (against the Bears)...and has digressed since. If things arent pointing up by week 8-10 of this season, then I start getting concerned about his contract going into future years.

 

If he's here for the duration of his deal, it'll be merit-based and not an issue. $20MM/year for a good QB on a good team is certainly not egregious.

I would be willing to bet, if he's still here and hasn't renegotiated his deal, that he won't be that high by the time 2018 rolls around. As one random example, I'm pretty sure no one had Brock Osweiler marked down as a $21MM QB in 2016...

 

Well he's empirically worse in the interception statistic, there's not really a debate about that. However, I think you've seen him make plays that Hoyer simply couldn't make.

The thing with Hoyer is you knew he wasn't good and you were hoping that the system would just put him in positions where his limited talent could make it work well enough.

With Osweiller you see the talent and you are just hoping that you can fix some of the issues. He gets erratic with the ball placement. He makes poor reads in the middle of the field. He doesn't seem to "get" that the other guy can intercept the pass. These are all things you feel can get better where with Hoyer you knew it was never going to get better.

 

Look at the teams Brock is 3-1 against.

Titans - one of the poorer teams in football
Chiefs - Very mediocre and just got steamrolled by Pit
Bears - another bad team

These are 3 weak wins. In those 3 games, the offense sputtered at points and the defense and/or special teams saved the day. The one time Brock played a great defensive team he couldn't move the ball past the 50 yard line. Think about that, he couldn't even get into Patriots territory for almost the entire game.

Brock will face the same type of test next week against Minnesota. Are you confident in Brock going into Minny?

 

I mean, we havent exactly had a difficult schedule. Im happy with 3-1...but comparing our record to the likes of Cam and Luck doesnt make much sense. In the same way, I can say that Wentz, a rookie, is undefeated. And Brock isnt the reason we won the 3 games...and he wasnt the reason we lost that 1 game. In other words, he hasnt moved the needle in any way for the team, for better or worse....which isnt something you want from a franchise QB.

 

Sounds familiar, I remember when it was Texans fans complaining about 10 and 12 wins. Those types of "Texans fans" always seem to run down any accomplishment and play up any failure.

Once upon a time there was whining about how the Colts owned the division, now that the Texans have won the division 3 of the last 5 seasons and is likely to become 4 of the past 6 after this season, winning the division isn't an accomplishment anymore.....because negativity.

 

These seems backwards. We're paying him tons up front and only keeping him on a high salary later if he can live up to it. Typically you give money to a guy who has proven it, of course those guys arent available.

Also, this means that we're less competitive these 2 years since we're allocating a big portion of our cap to a guy figuring it out.

 

Meh.

The Texans will win their division because their division sucks, not because the Texans are a good team.

The Texans are not likely to win a playoff game........ and short of the Patriots plane crashing into a mountain, the Texans are NOT beating the Pats in the playoffs. If there is a lock in sports, it is that.

 

What about against New England last year? Or Cincinatti?

I mean his overall track record suggest he will win some ball games.

 

Some of you who have given up on Brock and the Texans after 4 games.... should have given up on the Texans after our first 2-14 season. Is always complaining the new "in" thing?

 

It's funny because these same fans are the ones who were claiming Case Keenum or TJ Yates were the next big things after playing well in small sample sizes.

They lack patience.

 

We beat Cincy too...and Im not talking about Brock in regards to wins and losses...Im talking about his tendencies that he needs to work on to become the franchise type QB we are wanting him to become.

 

I'd be very surprised if anyone has given up on them. Can you list anyone that you think has given up on the team?

 

Can you name the people that claimed TJ or Case were awesome but are bashing on Brock now?

 

For some I think it's just a lack of QB performance analysis ability. For others it might just be that they default to negative positions or that maybe they are listening to highly negative people too much....like the masthead of certain Texans blogs for example.

 

Can you name the people that were complaining after winning 12 games? Please list.

 

I think he was suggesting that those people who are highly negative SHOULD have given up on the team during the 2 win season and moved on to another team.

 

Why would anyone move onto another team? Just because you dont like your team winning 2 games, doesnt mean you cant look for improvement the following season. It would be silly to start rooting for a team like the Falcons just because your team is the worst in the NFL one year.

 

Do you not remember the "So what, theTexans didn't really beat anyone" comments? Or the "Who cares, they'll get destroyed in the playoffs" comments? Surely you can't have forgotten, hell you likely were one of them when the Texans were 11-2 after getting crushed by the Patriots in 2012.