This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

Hoyer is so sad that you didnt give this level of justification for him during the entire regular season last year...no Will Fuller and no RB to help him. He's sad today, despite his performance yesterday.

 

Hoyer was just a terrible QB, it wasn't players running bad routes or letting DB's steal the ball out of their hands, it was 100% awful throws with him. It's kind of funny that you are running down Osweiler as much as you are yet just yesterday you tried to defend Hoyer's performance last year with the Texans which was MUCH worse than Osweiler has done. Anything to fit a narrative right?

Anyway I've wasted enough time talking to you mr sad sack, I knew ahead of time it wasn't going to be productive so now that it's clear that's the case I might as well stop now. Keep thinking the sky is falling for the 3-1 Texans with a 2 game lead in their division if you like, it'll still be ridiculous, but you be you.

 

And that's understandable but still this year we shouldn't bring that up. Reason being, he's on a new team with a very complex offense. Even the great Peyton Manning in his 1st year had more interceptions than touchdowns. The great Luck who mind you is the highest paid player in the NFL is a turnover waiting to happen. But I'm not hearing people talking about that blotted contract and his play.

Let's give the man a full season and next season if he's still throwing interceptions at a high rate, by all means blast away

 

And that's understandable but still this year we shouldn't bring that up. Reason being, he's on a new team with a very complex offense. Even the great Peyton Manning in his 1st year had more interceptions than touchdowns. The great Luck who mind you is the highest paid player in the NFL is a turnover waiting to happen. But I'm not hearing people talking about that blotted contract and his play.

Let's give the man a full season and next season if he's still throwing interceptions at a high rate, by all means blast away

 

I dont have a narrative...I want Osweiler to succeed more than anyone here (my wife's entire family is a bunch of Broncos fans waiting to laugh at me at any given moment). I have more riding on Osweiler doing well than everyone here.

And I've never said the sky is falling...I dont see us not winning the division. We'll be a playoff team. Im not running around crying about anything. Im simply pointing out that Osweiler hasnt played up to par, regardless of what justifications you have in place.

Hoyer threw 7 interceptions ALL year...while completing almost 61% of his passes. How many "bad" throws did he really have like you're claiming?

Osweiler has almost equaled Hoyer's pick total from last year. I dont care if you think Hopkins is a crappy WR now and that it's all his fault. The numbers dont lie. At the end of the day, Osweiler has been a turnover machine...and that isnt a winning formula in the long run. It needs to be cleaned up quickly....and the first step would be for Osweiler to equal what Hoyer did last season for the Texans. Then, we need to build on that.

 

I think it says a lot when someone is a Hoyer apologist and bashes Osweiler. I'll just leave it at that.

 

How does $12MM + $19MM + $21MM = $20MM/year? It's $17.3MM - and the contract is, as has been extensively covered, essentially a two-year deal - they can cut him after next season and absorb just a $6MM hit.

Osweiler's cap hit this year is 20th among NFL QBs; 13th next year - he'll be making less than Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, Ryan Tannenhill and Colin Kaepernick.

 

Hoyer is definitely a below average NFL QB. You call that being an apologist? lol.

It's okay, keep living in your fantasy world where you feed Mallett grapes and nuzzle up next to him before he falls asleep.

 

How about what YOU said, that he should be compared to his financial peers, which, this year, most assuredly includes Ryan Fitzpatrick and decidedly not the guys you mentioned.

But even if we extend it to two years, which is how long the deal truly is:
Matt Ryan
2 years; $47.5MM

Eli Manning
2 years; $43.9MM

Ben Roethlisberger
2 years; $42.2MM

Philip Rivers
2 years; $36.5MM

Brock Osweiler
2 years; $31MM

He gets a little closer to Phillips Rivers territory. Still far behind the others you said he should be compared to because of salary.

 

The only thing that matters in regards to Osweiler is 37 million over 2 years. If he plays above that level, he'll be here for year 3. If he doesnt, then we spent 37 million on him over 2 seasons. 18.5 million is all that we should care about over the next 2 years. And if he is here for year 3, then we are giving him way more than the 18.5 annually...which makes comparisons to Eli, Ryan, and Rivers even more accurate. And being a couple million a year over or under another players salary is still a fair comparison.

 

If you think Hoyer performed better last season than Osweiler has this season then yes, that's you being really awful at QB performance analysis and being a Hoyer apologist. It's okay though, I accept you despite your shortcomings, no reason to get butt hurt about it kiddo.

 

Dont let the playoff game fool you...Hoyer was absolutely decent for the Texans last regular season. By no standard of measurement has Brock outperformed Hoyer.

 

LOL, thank you for ending this and every potential conversation about QB's with you. That said, I do think it's adorable that you probably really believe that.

 

I meant next 3 years after this one the average cap hit is $20 million.

Looking at whole contracts, he's 12th in average guaranteed per year and 9th in total guaranteed dollars. In 2018 he'll be #10 in cap hit.

It's not a small or average contract IMO.

 

Braxton Miller and the TE's are going to be very important going forward.

Teams are starting to play heavy double high safety. That means a lot of running lanes and short yardage passes will be available.

Teams are scared of Will Fuller and Deandre Hopkins. This is why we drafted Will in the first place.

I think this offense will progressively get better. Remember that the Titans were rated as one of the better defenses in the league and the Texans showed they could move the ball with ease when executing.

 

I guess it's impossible that QB's will get any new contracts between now and then, so you're absolutely right.

 

Not one person here will say that Osweiler has outperformed what Hoyer did last regular season...up to this point of the year. You're on an island by yourself.

And PFF, regardless of what you think of them, has Osweiler ranked 25th among QBs through 4 games. Maybe if Osweiler can learn to just average 1 TO a game, we'll be in better shape....but he's currently on pace to throw for 24 interceptions. To put that in perspective for you, Bortles led the NFL in interceptions last year with 18.

 

Also one of the hotter Qb's in the league couldn't move the ball against the Titans in Derek Carr. One Td on a short pass in the flats in which the Titan defender missed a tackle.

Brock showed me a lot. Just need to stop forcing the ball to hop and you are looking at a really tough team to beat.

 

His cap hit is $31MM for the next first two years; the additional $6MM would be an acceleration of his signing bonus onto the '18 cap IF they release him after next season.

QBs are not paid on average; his cap hit this year is $12MM - which is beyond reasonable; next year, it's $19MM - which, if he gets better this year, will also be reasonable. Again, it's less than Kaepernick is scheduled to make.

If he's here in 2018, then, yes - he jumps into Eli, Ryan and Rivers territory - though, still making less than all but Rivers, who will be making the exact same amount.

If he's here in 2018, it'll likely be merit-based. And that's still currently ranked just 10th among QBs right now - so it doesn't account for any new deals between now and then.

Osweiler had incredibly good timing/luck. He's not egregiously overpaid, based on the position's market. And if he lives up to his potential, then he won't be overpaid.

 

He's 3-1. I honestly don't care about his stats this early, I care about results. Right now Brock Osweiler has a better record than Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Drew Brees and others.. If you could sub any QB in the league fro Brock right now, at absolute BEST it would get us ONE more win. Just think about that everyone...